King charles Heckled in Australia

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Did anyone see that King Charles was heckled in Australia this week by an Australian senator, Lidia Thorpe.

She shouted at him "you are not my King, this is not your land, you have stolen our land".

Any thoughts?

I didn't see any thread on it, so I started this one.

Australia can choose to become a republic if they want.

Until then, Charles, or his heir, is the monarch and has duties associated with that. Like "parading around."

It's not like he can quit.

Ages of mass movement have happened historically everywhere, throughout history, and people have been pushed out, or become a small part of a larger population, or in some cases have ceased to exist. It stinks for the people it happens to, but there isn't a lot of point criticizing people who are long dead, whatever nationality or ethnicity they were.

It is very bizarre that these people focus on these tiny slices of history.

Some of my ancestors fled France in fear of their lives, and ended up on a cold rock of an island in the North Atlantic for generations.
Some were dirt poor tenant farmers, which is to say, barely more than slaves, in Ireland.
Some were factory workers in Glasgow living in slums.

What good is it for me to have some people who had nothing to do with this apologize? Why would I think people don't know about this history? How is my life better if I look around at people alive today and feel like they owe me somehow? (I would love to have a French passport however - but maybe not so likely?)

My partner's ancestors were transported from Africa to work on a plantation, and some fled Germany and the Nazis. What does he expect from the Africans, or the descendants of the plantation owners, or the Germans, by way of apology - nothing. In fact he'd be offended because he would see it as virtue signalling an insincere apology.

If we imagine that we deserve apologies from the descendants of people who hurt our ancestors we are all going to be spending a lot of time apologizing.

My thoughts are that it's political posturing and in no way an actual apology.

"It's not like he can quit"
Well he can, as can they all and live very well off the couple of billion that we have given them.
No country needs a royal family.

I'm not cold; I've acknowledged how terrible all these wrongs were. I'm saying that I don't think Britain should apologise, because no one alive today is responsible, and it opens the door to reparations, which Britain can't afford. In an article linked by another poster, the campaign group for reparations wants Britain to fund education and healthcare in the former colonies. We don't even have enough money for the NHS.

Many people are laying the wrongs of the past at the feet of the British today, and I think that's wrong. And these attitudes do affect blameless British people of today. I travel a lot, and anti-British sentiment is alive and well and a threat to my safety in certain places. Someone I know was attacked in Glasgow for being English. Last week the English were remembering the violence done by the IRA in 1984. And these attitudes don't make me want to holiday somewhere like Ireland in case I bump into rabidly anti-British people.

In short, holding on to the past and blaming the Britain of today results in negative outcomes, including violence.

That's down to the voting public, in Aus anyway

It they want to be a republic and mend relationships there they can.

But I said the things that happened in history are terrible. I've said that a few times on this thread. I'm not saying "Who cares?", I'm saying that people alive today have nothing to do with the people who did those things.

As for Britain acknowledging what they did...I mean, they're not denying it, are they? Everyone knows what happened. It's in all the history books. What is there to acknowledge? It's not like there's a big cover-up.

Apologies might lessen anger, for reasonable people. Or they might result in more anti-British violence, like when Asian people in the US experienced attacks because the coronavirus was known to originate in China. Apologies might give the crazies permission to attack British people, in the minds of people who are prone to that sort of thing.

I don't actually know why the British government has held out on apologies, but I do wonder if it's because of the reparations issue.

The German economy is not strong. It is in crisis. And there is no such person as the 'German prime minister'.

But that's beside the point. The monarch does not have the authority to make a formal apology to other nations. He/she can only act on the government's instructions.

No, the OP surmised my position well. I agree with the person's right to protest but at the same time I have misgivings about this particular method as Charles is an elderly man with cancer.

To be honest, I'm not overly worked up about it one way or another so I'm not gonna get into a back and forth on it, so take it whatever way you want! 😄

To be fair, Britain was balls deep in the slave trade for centuries, so it's a bit brass neck to try and claim credit for "ending slavery"!

What next, Afrikaaners claiming credit for ending Apartheid?! 😂

“Natives” is an offensive way of describing Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. In fact it smacks of colonialism. Maybe check yourself before commenting on other people.

So if he didn’t have cancer, there’d be no problem with the way she delivered her message? Bringing him his cancer made absolutely zero sense

@NoisyDenimShaker What does this message mean?

It means a deranged person no one will ever be able to talk sense into as they have their own set of rules no one else aligns or agrees with. I presume you are from the UK? If so, how do not know about ‘your’ Clive? He’s the guy that took his young Ukrainian wife to the Caribbean to give birth, while abandoning their other daughter in the UK. Then refused to register the babies birth or do a DNA test to allow them back to UK with baby, and can’t understand why any rules would apply to him as he never signed up for those rules. Oh, and recently arrested for people smuggling in Caribbean to top it off, but again is outraged and refuses to accept it as rules don’t apply to him. Was the finale in a long line of nonsense he carried on with. Every country has an embarrassing Clive. She is ours. Nothing to do with indigenous, non indigenous, whether you are purple, green or blue, she’s just a nutter.

It could have gone on a lot longer than it did if Britain hadn't ended it when it did, and MANY other countries were also involved in the slave trade, yet none of them tried to end it.

And Britain didn't start it, Portugal did.

Yeah good point. How did Britain "end slavery" when it was still going on in other countries?! 😂

Britain stopped engaging in slavery, and want a round of applause for it!!

It is more accurate to say that Britain ended the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the buying and selling of humans on one continent for another continent.

There are some truly horrific stories of slavery. Given how race is a big part of this thread, I should point out that the actual enslavement almost always started with Africans kidnapping or conquering other Africans who then became their property, their slaves. Then the African slave owners would sell them to the Europeans who would ship them across the Atlantic and sell them again.

While the victims - the slaves - were almost exclusively black Africans, the perpetrators - the slavers - were both Black Africans and Europeans.