King charles Heckled in Australia

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Did anyone see that King Charles was heckled in Australia this week by an Australian senator, Lidia Thorpe.

She shouted at him "you are not my King, this is not your land, you have stolen our land".

Any thoughts?

I didn't see any thread on it, so I started this one.

But this “past” still incredibly benefits the direct descendants of slave and plantation owners, to this day. Presently, still some immensely rich families have vast generational wealth because of the wealth acquired by their ancestors, directly through the slave trade and empire. Yes, these descendants are not directly to blame for the horror of slavery and colonisation, but many still benefit today from what their ancestors did in the “past”.

The murder still directly affects her. She still has no brother. The Irish are not starving today and have plenty of potatoes, and no one in living memory was affected by it because it was 170 years ago. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

The potato famine is history. All countries could navel-gaze about the past if they wanted to. I have no need for Italy to apologise to Britain for the Roman invasion. It's in the past. Neither has it ever occurred to me to heckle any German visiting politician for an apology because of what Germany did to Britain in the war.

That's true, but what would you have the descendants do?

Most of the grand houses are in the hands of the National Trust now anyway, not descendants' hands.

It seems that many people just want history to be rewound, and that's not possible. History happened, most if it was terrible, but it's history, and people today didn't perpetrate it.

Not responsible, yet still many directly still benefit, including the Royal Family.

She’s our version of Clive unfortunately.

I do think the RF should have a lot less, FWIW. It's truly disgusting what they have. Their personal art collections are worth a few billion, not to mention property. They could share it with the public by putting it all on display and use the ticket sales to fund charitable projects. They could donate some of their land for affordable housing projects. They could sell some of their stuff and raise lots and lots of money for things like new hospitals. I support a bicyling monarchy.

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Or give some of it back, eg. the koh I noor diamond.

I already explained that the Holocaust is in living memory. The potato famine was 170 years ago. Big difference.

Yes, they could give some of it back, including that diamond.

As I've said about four times now, the Holocaust is not in the past, it's in living memory. Read!

Not for history to be rewound, but to be completely acknowledged for what it was, for what it did, and for the effect it has on the descendants of all those atrocities committed, because of empire, slavery and colonialism.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/24/descendants-of-uk-slave-owners-call-on-government-to-apologise

Does anyone here feel that Italy should apologise to Britain for the Roman invasion?

The Holocaust is recent history and people alive today are directly affected to the extent that it's their parents and grandparents who were affected, not ancestors, unless you count two generations back as ancestors, which most don't. The potato famine is 170 years ago. I suppose you could hand-wring about everything in history, but that's a way of thinking I don't subscribe to.

Living memory means people who lived through those times. And there are people alive today who lost parents and grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins, siblings. That is completely different from an event that's 170 years in the past. Unless you want to hand-wring about all of history.

Interesting article. How do they think the UK would fund investing in their former colonies' healthcare and education systems when the NHS is broken? It's pie-in-the-sky thinking. Britain can't afford reparations. And I wonder if those people have given any of their own ill-gotten gains to the former colonies. ETA: I see one person gave 100k, which is probably a drop in the ocean to her. Why doesn't she give almost everything she has, if she insists that she's benefited so much?

Just remember that Royal Family don't go anywhere unless they are invited by the relevant Government. Australia invited him to visit and Australian Govt decided exactly where he should go and who he would meet.
Good for him for facing it out.

Exactly, and facing it out when he's old and going through cancer treatment too. The past isn't his fault and he has no power to apologise or make reparations, yet it's all laid at his feet. I bet he'd rather have stayed at home, but he did his duty by going.

But the fall out from the potato famine continued for decades after, spilling well into the 20th century. It affected millions of Irish people, and altered and changed not only Ireland’s physical landscape, but also economic, social and cultural landscapes. It decimated entire generations of families, This horrific event is still in many ways, a recent memory, for millions of Irish people, and not some kind of distant reference, in an old dusty history book.

All of history affects us all today. Why single out the potato famine? You must also think that all historical events - most of which were bad - should be apologised for, not just the famine, right? Countries would be spending a lot of time apologising if everyone apologised for history.

It might well be that this visit of Charles3 has pushed back the tide of Republicanism in Australia and in other places.
Can someone tell me about a recent attempt to change the Law in Aus to give 'First Nations' a place in Parliament but it was rejected.