King charles Heckled in Australia

[Albaamy121]

Did anyone see that King Charles was heckled in Australia this week by an Australian senator, Lidia Thorpe.

She shouted at him "you are not my King, this is not your land, you have stolen our land".

Any thoughts?

I didn't see any thread on it, so I started this one.

What does him having cancer have to do with colonisation???

To acknkwledge that crimes were committed.

To acknowledge that cultures were wiped out.

To ease other people's suffering?

Of course Lidia is allowed to say what she wants.

I think this poster is saying, that taking him being a king out of it, it's not nice to shout at an old man with cancer

He has cancer, and? Does having cancer mean that you can’t confront someone whose bloodline has benefitted from colonisation? Comparing the two makes zero sense

Hmmm that’s quite a specious argument. Under conditions of invasion since 1788 it’s likely that many indigenous people from all the nations in Australia will have some European heritage as well. That’s part of the deracination of indigenous Australians by invasion and colonisation.

I think you can say both things though.

We can say that she is entitled to shout what she wants at him.

You can also feel a bit bad for him, as he is an old man and is really not well.

People can think both things.

Yes yellow asteroid that's already been said ten pages ago

No one is said that because he has cancer that no one can confront him through, did they?

I believe that some posters said that they felt bad for him as he is a sick old man. They're entitled to feel that way. The same as you're entitled to your opinion

If he's too old and ill to be heckled, he's too old and ill to be representing the state.

Seeing as I quoted @TrishM80 who said it was tasteless, I’d prefer to have a discussion with them to see why they said that. No need for me to go back and forth with you OP

Yes, yes, penicillin and the modern sewage system are really great, of course, but Empire colonised countless lands, subjugated millions of people into slavery and servitude whilst plundering the immense natural resources and wealth of those lands. And this was all quite recent. Penicillin was invented in1928, the height of empire was 1922. Britain has so much to apologise for, and so much to give back of what it took without any right to do so, back to the descendants who to this are still feeling the negative effects of this plunder. The last reparations were paid, to the descendants of slave owners in. 2015, just 9 years ago. This is sickening to think about. Surely it’s not about keeping face but rather about doing absolutely right and starting with a massive apology.

@NoisyDenimShaker Christ you want people to feel grateful than Britain helped end slavery when it was the key instigator in establishing the Atlantic slave tarde?
Hey folks thank us for stopping doing a very bad thing, that we only stopped doing because members of the public fought us for years to get us to stop doing this bad thing. Aren't we great!!

Flour laced with Arsenic???

You wrote there about all the good things that the UK achieved.

Do you think the UK would have achieved all those things, if they hadn't stolen lots of resources from other countries?

For example the UK stole lots of land and money from Ireland.

How would Ireland then develop great scientists, out of sheer poverty? When they were struggling to survive?

The UK were able to focus on science and inventions as they weren't in desperate poverty.

An excellent podcast EMPIRE covers the see saw effect of looting the periphery while enriching the metropole. Of course draining taxes and labour from indigenes resulted in luxury and education and advancement at the centre.

My thoughts are good for her, she wanted to say it so she did.

I think it's ridiculous to point out that the UK achieved a lot, on a thread about colonisation

Of course the UK achieved a lot, because they stole and plundered resources land and money from other countries.

They achieved more, by ruining other cultures.

What you're saying is typical of bullies. They act like it didnt happen, they dont acknowledge suffering, Don't want to admit any wrongdoing and don't want to apologise for anything.

Yes I agree. She has the right to say what she wants in society.

How is that hypocritical? It’s history

essentially when you strip back all the arguments about whether Aboriginals were considered fauna, or whether we are more racist than the UK it comes down to this…

It’s a pissing contest. King Charles has done his tour and taken a grand old piss all over the parliament and our little island colony. He’s taken a big old royal wizz to remind us all aren’t we lucky to have a King, we are part of his little collection of countries and club & his head is on our money and stamps and we are part of the British collection.

All Charlie’s supporters think fair game, he’s done nothing wrong, not his fault an entire race of people were almost eradicated and babies stolen in order for Australia to be part of the commonwealth. He didn’t do any of that ! He doesnt have to, previous generations did the dirty work for him so now all he has to do is rock up & take a wizz.

Lydia comes along and because she’s not as powerful and not the PM, or Rupert Murdoch she can’t really do much. She can’t call a referendum or run a front page story about it. She can’t just show up in parliament & act like a “colonial king” that to take a whizz like Charlie because she doesn’t have that power. Instead she gets up and lets rip for and takes a dump to let Charlie know, no this isn’t your land, it never was your land, go home, you’re only allowed to piss in this country because the crown took it under what would now be considered war crimes.

Charlie sits there smug, pissing, wondering what all the fuss is about while he wears that same crown.

@DysonSphere "Flour laced with Arsenic?"

Yep. And blankets infected with smallpox.

Think everyone saw it - it dominated the news! I got fed up with her shrieking. She didn’t exactly help her cause!

@Albaamy121 I had to go out but was just writing this post when my lift came. I haven't caught up on the rest of the thread yet from when I went out. Anyway, the later things that Britain still are still well in the past. Again, no one alive today is responsible.

As for saying that my attitude is disgusting, I wrote above that what Britain did in the past is terrible. My point is that I don't think people alive today, who did none of it, should apologise.

I also don't believe that people today are so affected by things a hundred years ago. I think it's a smokescreen for mere jealousy and hatred of the UK.

The IRA people who bombed innocents in England have no remorse - there was a recent documentary on the Brighton bombing - and they are the people who actually carried out the atrocities. Why doesn't Ireland apologise for THEM? That's the trouble with the line of thought that you're taking: It keeps old resentments going and ends in countries at war with each other in the present over old wrongs. The Sinn Fein PR guy from the BBC's recent documentary about Ireland cited the 1801 Act. He clearly felt that it was justified to kill people in 1984 for something that happened in the 19th century. That's where your line of thinking leads: To the continuation of old battles, and frankly I have no time for it.

The IRA, while wrong in a lot of their actions, were formed as a result of the UK invading and colonising the UK. Which you well know.

Did you think that Ireland were never going to fight back?

Ireland is only one country of many that the UK invaded and colonised, which you also know

Ireland has been a republic a long time. It's quite free to speak only Irish if it wants.