King charles Heckled in Australia

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Did anyone see that King Charles was heckled in Australia this week by an Australian senator, Lidia Thorpe.

She shouted at him "you are not my King, this is not your land, you have stolen our land".

Any thoughts?

I didn't see any thread on it, so I started this one.

I don't think Britain should apologise for its history because it would make us look weak on the world stage. Nobody alive today had anything to do with any of it. Colonisation is part of history. Most people don't spend their time with a huge chip on their shoulder about the past; it's a small but vocal minority who live in the past and wants to bully Britain into flagellating itself in order to humiliate it.

Your ignorance and nastiness actually shines through strongly, if you think that a person can only think one thing about a topic.

I thought both things.

I thought that she said "king of England" as I have heard people say that in other countries, and I believe they say that,

as it is less of a mouthful than the longer term "king of the United kingdom". I've never heard proper say "King of the United Kingdom". They say "King of England"

I also think that she may have used the term king of England, as she has repeatedly call him a coloniser, and she maybe doesn't see him as a king of other countries.

I thought it. But another poster posted the second part, before I did. And I said that I agreed with her..

Im not sure why you think people can only think one thing about a topic. That was an ignorant and strange post of yours.

Its never easy to apologise or admit that you've done anything wrong.

I think the King should acknowledge some things though

A recent German prime minister apologised for Nazi atrocities. It hasn't made Germany look weak.
Germany economy is very strong.

Nobody alive today had anything to do with Nazi Germany, and Germany still apologised for it.

You are constantly talking about Britain would feel, and that it would make Britain look weak.

Maybe you could try have some empathy for the other countries?

What about Ireland? The UK completely destroyed a whole language in Ireland and forced them to speak English.

I’m with the heckler! Why on earth Oz has t got rid of this entitled, pampered, ruler by birth only, as their head of state is beyond me.
These tours need to stop, they belong to another era entirely.

‘I don't think Britain should apologise for its history because it would make us look weak on the world stage.’

You clearly don’t travel much if you’re not already aware of how ‘weak’ Britain looks anyway… being the playground bully that refuses to apologise doesn’t = anything but weakness and insecurity

Well said. I agree. The UK does not have a good reputation world wide at the moment at all.

That is partly due to refusing to acknowledge or apologise for any wrongdoing.

Apologising, would actually make the UK look better on the worldstage, and improve relations

Apologise for what? For stuff that happened centuries before anyone alive was born? Why and what would it achieve?

There is no such person as the King of England.

You speak like a person who doesn't want to admit any wrongdoing.

People are bullying Britain? Im sorry do you know that Britain committed mass genocide and murdered millions of people, yes?

The people who did it are not alive anymore. But the effects of the UK's colonisation process still affects millions of people.

As I said , Ireland used to speak Irish language, but now everyone there speaks the English language.

Because at the time of UK colonisation of Ireland, Irish people were killed by UK people if they spoke Irish.
The colonisers insisted on wiping out the langaugae by force. That is just one country that the UK colonised.

You don't have to personally apologise for anything. But the UK government and royal family do

I never said there was.

I pointed out the reasons why other people say "King of England"

As has been said many, many times on this thread :

Other countries have apologised for actions that happened before they were born, including a current nazi prime minister apologising for actions that happened under Nazi suffering.

What would it achieve? It eases suffering and pain in the country that it colonised.

Some countries genuinely want to apologise, because they are sorry for hurt that their country caused in the past

It seems the UK is not one of those

The things that happened in the past were dreadful, I completely agree. There were people alive during our lifetimes who were responsible for war crimes by the Nazis. WWII is very recent history. But upthread, you mentioned things like the Irish Potato Famine, which happed in the 1850s!

I don't really understand how people today can be fixated on things that happened in the distant past. I think that the agenda of people who focus so much on apologies is to humiliate today's Britain for the past. As a British person, I'm not keen on my country being humiliated for things no one alive today did. Apologies are a political issue, whereas you talk as if it's two people fixing a private relationship.

Once Britain makes one apology, the whole world will pile on, and people who hate my country for the past would just love that. Apologies would result in a worldwide laser-focus on the bad parts of British history, instead of its achievements like ending slavery, the amazing feats of the Victorian engineers, discoveries by James Watt and Isaac Newton, its development of modern sewer systems that helped eradicate disease, the invention of vaccines by Edward Jenner that did the same, the fact that Britain offers free healthcare to all, and many other positive contributions that Britain has made to the world.

If the wrongs of the past are focused on by people today, then we should also focus on the good things from the past. Britain did terrible things, and I am sorry. Can you now thank me for jet engines, penicillin, and antibiotics? They are all British inventions. If today's people are going to apologise for the wrongs of the past, then they should also be thanked for the good of the past. Today, we can read our DNA thanks to a Brit, Francis Crick. You're welcome.

What would it achieve? It eases suffering and pain in the country that it colonised.

Utter nonsense. And I speak as one of those who would receive an apology according to you. My great, great grandparents were immigrants fleeing the Potato Famine, they’re long past having their pain and suffering eased.

You said the Irish potato famine is in the distant past. People in Ireland focus on the famine as it is the most recent genocide in their history. It killed one million people and the UK never apologised to them for it. And it still has massive impacts and effects on Ireland today.

It may seem in the distant past to you, but It is not to Irish people. Sinead o conner used to sing about the famine.

And that is only one example of the UK atrocities in Ireland. The UK also committed a lot of atrocities in Ireland last century, including completely wiping out the Irish language.

Well you don't speak for them all do you? Have you lived in Ireland at all

I was in Ireland last week. And people there were saying that they want an apology from the UK

It’s still 180 years ago. Where do you stop? The time for an apology was when the people actually affected were still alive.

People alive are still affected by colonialism, and there are still no apologies.

You said where do you stop.

have they started?

Have the UK apologised for anything at all?

The potato famine happened in the mid-1850s. I don't believe that anyone alive today is affected by it. The wanting an apology from Britain comes from just plain old hatred of Britain, and I'm glad the British government is not falling for it and allowing itself to be bullied and humiliated. I think that people who live their lives with chips on their shoulders about things that happened approx 170 years ago are pretty sad. All this stuff is motivated by hatred of Britain, not because anyone today is affected by the potato famine of the mid1850s.

Yes people today are still affected by it . Of course they are. Read up on history.

During that era , British people stole a lot of land from Ireland. And what they did in the 1800s , caused a lot of poverty in Ireland well into the 1900s. It caused devastation in ireland.

Also the famine is just one example.

I mentioned that the UK also treated Ireland terribly in the 1900s. They stole land, and kicked down irish culture and forced everyone to speak English.

That still affects the Irish culture to this day.

What's your thoughts on what they did later on to Ireland?

Again, read history.

The UK didn't just cause problems in Ireland 170 years ago,

They caused huge huge problems in Ireland last century aswell. The UK stole loads of land. Ireland had to fight for independence from the UK. Do you know your history at all?

Your dismissive attitude to a whole nations suffering, and saying that you are the bullied one, is pretty disgusting actually

That's easy to say when you haven't gone through it.

170 years ago is not long in world history. Especially when it had long lasting impacts in Ireland, well into last century.

People are still fighting for the Armenian Genocide to be recognised as genocide, and that was 110 years ago.

People don't just "get over" mass murder

You haven't replied to the part where I said that the UK also committed atrocities in Ireland last century.

Not just in the 1800s.

They were committing atrocities in Ireland well into last century.