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Mum not coming on Halloween - irked?

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CleverAzureDreamer · 22/10/2024 16:28

My mum has just let me know she’s having her hair done on Thursday evening next week so she won’t be coming over to ours to go trick or treating and watch a spooky movie with the kids (8, 10, 12). I’m slightly irritated by this as I thought it would have been nice to have a family night dressed up and go round taking the kids trick or treating.
I’ve allowed older DS to bring a friend over to come with us so it won’t be so empty but I just found it a bit selfish for a Nan to not want to spend Halloween with the grandkids! AIBU?

OP posts:
pictoosh · 22/10/2024 18:58

Guising meant you had to do a turn...like tell a joke, sing a wee song, read out a poem or do a little dance. That's how you earned your sweeties or coins.

Lemonyyy · 22/10/2024 18:58

Lol, my mum is visiting over half term, and leaving Thursday afternoon precisely because she has no interest in Halloween! And I don’t blame her, trick or treating is dull as sin 😂

OneBadKitty · 22/10/2024 18:59

Trick or treating may have it's origins in Celtic culture but it took the Americans to develop it further and the current trend for Trick-or-Treating in the UK is largely an import from the US- it isn't a natural organic evolution of our own customs.

In around 1986 as a 12/13 year old I went trick or treating for the first time based on seeing it on TV from America and the local residents were baffled by it as they had never had this before. The only people who were familiar with the idea were an American couple who had moved into the village.

WearyAuldWumman · 22/10/2024 19:01

Another2Cats · 22/10/2024 18:54

Thank you. It really is fascinating to find out about different local traditions.

I take it "guising" is something similar to the American "trick or treating"?

It's similar. Children dress up. It used to be that you'd be greeted with "Dae ye want ony guisers?"

Traditionally, this is an offer for the children to put on a performance. When I was a child, it was a song and/or dance. Nowadays, it's usually a very brief song or a joke - though no one ever refuses sweets to children who are too shy to perform.

pictoosh · 22/10/2024 19:03

"It's similar. Children dress up. It used to be that you'd be greeted with "Dae ye want ony guisers?""

That's right! "Dae ye want any guisers?"
Oh that takes me back.

AtomicPumpkin · 22/10/2024 19:03

The older you get, the less inclined you are to spend precious time doing things you don't really enjoy. For your mother, the Hallowe'en festivities obviously come into the category 'things I don't really enjoy'.

Completelyjo · 22/10/2024 19:04

Another2Cats · 22/10/2024 18:52

"...followed by trick or treating."

This is absolutely intriguing. I have literally never met anybody in my entire life who has ever done this (being quite serious here).

Can I ask what part of the country you live in? I'm really intrigued to find out if this is a local thing going on!

You’ve never met anyone in your entire life who has gone trick or treating or brought their kids?
You must have an incredibly narrow life.

Nanny0gg · 22/10/2024 19:06

CleverAzureDreamer · 22/10/2024 16:31

@Widowtoo It’s family time? Last year we had fun.

Is it buggery

You couldn't have ever paid me enough to get involved with Halloween

WearyAuldWumman · 22/10/2024 19:06

pictoosh · 22/10/2024 19:03

"It's similar. Children dress up. It used to be that you'd be greeted with "Dae ye want ony guisers?""

That's right! "Dae ye want any guisers?"
Oh that takes me back.

I was going to say that there were never any threats attached to guising, but then I remembered the full words of "Knock, knock, knock we are the guisers!"

Searchingforthelight · 22/10/2024 19:07

Halloween is not an extended family event

I have literally never heard of anyone doing trick or treating beyond parents with their kids

A bit mad, OP!

m00rfarm · 22/10/2024 19:09

CleverAzureDreamer · 22/10/2024 16:31

@Widowtoo It’s family time? Last year we had fun.

Clearly not for your mum as much as you.

Nanny0gg · 22/10/2024 19:09

CleverAzureDreamer · 22/10/2024 16:49

DS wanted to go with his friend alone but I can’t allow that now because my mum won’t be able to supervise them. I’m not allowing him to go with just the friend alone at night without either me or mum so he’ll come with us.

12 year olds shouldn't need supervising unless the area is unsafe
And ridiculous to expect them to go around with their grandmother!

OneBadKitty · 22/10/2024 19:09

My mum used to tell us about Mischief Night which was still a thing in Yorkshire until Halloween took over. Apaerently it was on the eve of bonfire night though (4th Nov) and children would go out just to cause mischief by playing silly tricks on people- pranks and mild vandalism.

PinkyFlamingo · 22/10/2024 19:12

Justsayit123 · 22/10/2024 16:36

Seriously? Get a life. Enjoy and look after your kids yourself.

That's really nasty no need. It's obvious it's not about her Mum looking after the kids either so wrong.

Drinkdrinkduuurink · 22/10/2024 19:16

Drinkdrinkduuurink · 22/10/2024 17:21

For all the English ignoramuses who know nothing about Halloween.

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/ten-trick-or-treating-facts-for-impressive-bonfire-chats-1.1983165

Scotland and Ireland started tricking

"A few decades later a practice called 'guising' was in full swing in Scotland and Ireland. Short for 'disguising', children would go out from door to door dressed in costume and rather than pledging to pray, they would tell a joke, sing a song or perform another sort of "trick" in exchange for food or money.

The expression trick or treat has only been used at front doors for the last 10 to 15 years. Before that "Help the Halloween Party" seems to have been the most popular phrase to holler."

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Yes Halloween is not English, it's an Irish/Scottish cultural event and a million times more exciting for kids than that boring November 5th "penny for the guy" (burning the effigy of the catholic Guy Fawkes) English cultural event that is now dying out as its crap!!!!!

English kids wanting to do what Irish kids (me in the 80s, and my parents and their parents etc. before me) and Scottish kids have been doing for well over a century is not their fault that Halloween is bloody better than that Guy Fawkes tedium.

Edited

Repeat for the English ignoramuses.

What's fascinating in this thread is the English-centric attitude in relation to British (and Irish) life. It's nothing new of course, I mean one of the major reasons the Scots who want independence for Scotland do so as they feel ignored by the English. Plus the BBC (that's BRITISH, not English, broadcasting corporation) is also very English-centric.

The English haven't got a bloody scooby do what is going on in these two isles beyond ENG-ER-LAND

StopStartStop · 22/10/2024 19:16

Just one of the latest ignorant comments: "Americanisation of British social life" by @StopStartStop

The way Hallowe'en is 'celebrated' or commercialised today is a gift from America.
I don't recall Scottish Hallowe'en from the 1960s and 1970s, but perhaps they had it just like today.

ChristmasInTheDistance · 22/10/2024 19:18

Doseofreality · 22/10/2024 16:57

Halloween is only interesting to 3 sets of people : -

  1. under 5 year olds
  2. students who see it as an excuse to get extra shitfaced
  3. Instahuns

Everyone else thinks it’s a load of shit.

Going to agree with this… it wasn’t a thing when I was young, we were told it was American nonsense and tbh I find it a bit of a nuisance now. The squealing noises in the street makes the bloody dog bark and although I keep the front of the house in darkness and put a note on the door asking them not to knock, I spend the evening in the dark shushing the dog every time the gate is opened. By all means, you do you and have fun - but not all of us are interested. Sounds like your Mum can’t be arsed with it either… I’d hate trailing round in the dark and cold & it often rains here.

LovelyDaaling · 22/10/2024 19:18

SHE's the unreasonable one? Blimey. She's probably had enough halloween to last her lifetime and perhaps she feels your children are too old to be knocking on doors for sweets.

TerfTalking · 22/10/2024 19:19

Completely and utterly unreasonable. I hated trick or treating with my own DC but I did it year in year out because they loved it, I dressed up and tramped the streets in the cold.

hell will freeze over before I do it with grandchildren that is the mum and dads job!

NotSoHotMess24 · 22/10/2024 19:19

Another2Cats · 22/10/2024 18:52

"...followed by trick or treating."

This is absolutely intriguing. I have literally never met anybody in my entire life who has ever done this (being quite serious here).

Can I ask what part of the country you live in? I'm really intrigued to find out if this is a local thing going on!

Done what sorry? Trick or treating? We live in Bristol where there are LOADS of trick or treaters. It's such a lovely, community event. Our local park always puts an amazing costume competition / party on. My parents live rural SE, where it's less prevalent but there are still enough houses participating for it to be fun and worthwhile. I grew up in a NE town, and again, it was celebrated and people went trick or treating, and that was 30 years ago now!

I'm getting excited myself thinking about it 😂

AgileGreenSeal · 22/10/2024 19:20

Cynic17 · 22/10/2024 17:42

Unless you're American, then Halloween is absolutely not a thing. I can't imagine any sensible grandparent wanting to do any of this, OP. You and your kids can surely just do stuff together?

Halloween aka OÍche Shamhna is a massive “thing” in Ireland, unfortunately.
I hate it with a passion.

pictoosh · 22/10/2024 19:20

You never know what the future holds so I can't say for certain....but I'm pretty sure if I had a choice between hair done or trick or treating with the grandkids, I'd be getting my hair done.

It's not the same now. Shop bought costumes require no creativity or resourcefulness...making your costume was all part of it. So was hollowing out a turnip with brute force (or your dad's drill) to make a lantern. The smell of burning neep said it was Halloween, not aisles of purple and orange plastic in Asda.

crumblingschools · 22/10/2024 19:21

I would have thought the plastic tat and the over decoration of houses is much more American influence than guising influence

pictoosh · 22/10/2024 19:21

crumblingschools · 22/10/2024 19:21

I would have thought the plastic tat and the over decoration of houses is much more American influence than guising influence

Oh it is.

Ihopeithinkiknow · 22/10/2024 19:22

Fuck me lol I did not realise that there was a competition on for the most over fucking dramatic post. "This is how gangs start" "you really want an elderly lady dressing up to go begging for sweets" "you want to send your mum out to an area that sexual assaults happen in" "get your husband to take time off work to go trick or treating". "I'm a grandmother and grandmothers do not participate in Halloween" someone made an obvious joke about the hairdressers being an excuse and your mum is obviously gonna be out on her broomstick instead and someone quoted it while frothing at the mouth about how nasty it was. But at least nobody is overreacting eh lol