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Is this revenge on the OW fair or not?

487 replies

pinkgown · 22/10/2024 02:58

Obviously we don't have the whole story, but would you be tempted to do this, to take revenge on the OW on your mother's behalf? I think I might, if I felt my mother and my family had been torn apart by her actions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

A mugshot of Eleanor Brown - a woman in her early twenties with dark shoulder length hair and blue eyes.

Eleanor Brown jailed for sharing naked photos of father's lover

Eleanor Brown posted the woman's photos on an escort site as an "act of revenge", a court hears.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

OP posts:
InterIgnis · 22/10/2024 12:53

SpookyStar · 22/10/2024 12:51

I think 3 years was far too harsh. My friend’s ex husband shared videos of her and was never jailed so I don’t agree with 3 years in this case.

Or perhaps that’s an argument for your friend’s ex to have had a harsher sentence, rather than this woman getting a lighter one.

This was a prolonged campaign of harassment that targeted not just the OW, but her husband and child as well.

MoveToParis · 22/10/2024 12:54

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 12:37

'I still don't think we should put non-violent offenders in prison for long periods though. I'd suggest one month to give her a bit of a scare and then three years of electronic tagging'

Totally agree. Absolutely disproportionate sentence imo.

Whilst I generally agree with you, in this instance I think a prison sentence is deserved, and I think there should be significant prohibitions in terms of access to the internet, and a requirement to inform future partners of her offending, plus a lifetime restraining order.

How her sister and mother got off I have no idea.

Obviously I think men who post nudes online should face lengthy prison sentences too.

Lordofthechai · 22/10/2024 13:05

theworldie · 22/10/2024 12:52

RTFT (or the article posted)

She didn’t “just” post naked pics - she waged an all out hate campaign and involved others, and carried on after receiving a warning then denied wrongdoing/plead not guilty when in court meaning her victim had to give evidence.

She’s a fucking loon and deserves her sentence.

I don't disagree that this was an ongoing and awful campaign. I am not saying she has any leg to stand on. What I am saying is that the police regularly fail to even investigate when men do exactly this sort of ongoing appalling harassment to ex partners.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 22/10/2024 13:06

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 11:58

Exactly.

No one is suggesting it is ok to share nudes that ow have sent married men, the point is the time should match the crime and it absolutely does not here.

Edited

Do you feel the same when men share revenge porn? I presume you think 3 years would be too long for men as well

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 13:09

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 22/10/2024 13:06

Do you feel the same when men share revenge porn? I presume you think 3 years would be too long for men as well

Correct, I do.

Prisons are full. Judges need to use a bit of common sense.

lalalapland · 22/10/2024 13:15

I've definitely felt vengeful and said some nasty things under extreme emotional distress due to cheating, but these actions are illegal as she has found out.

I'd have more sympathy if actions were in the 'heat of the moment', because affairs cause real extreme trauma. The fact this has gone on for so many years is very concerning - But... I do wonder about the mental health impact of being subject to trauma through her teenage years and whether she was offered any support during that time. The fact her mum showed her nude pictures of OW when she was a teenager is pretty concerning.

I'm very strong in the opinion that cheating is emotional abuse. Especially sustained and repeated cheating. To do this to your daughters mother for sure has an impact on a teenager.

Unfortunately there is no recourse for someone who has been cheated on (and those hurt by it), so people seek their own revenge.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 22/10/2024 13:16

Stephen Bear got 21 month prison sentence for sharing revenge porn videos of his ex, he served half his sentence.
Women are held to much higher standards in the justice system and are sentenced disproportionately longer than men. Presumably they think women are more of a threat to the public? More like these sentences are punishment for women falling from grace. Sexiest sentencing.

TheyreStillGoingWithThemPlumsKerr · 22/10/2024 13:19

Never. It’s a disgusting thing to do. But the mother should never have involved her children in her marital issues, let alone encourage her daughter to do this.

What revenge would you deal
out to the father (the cheater in this situation) for tearing the family apart?
What revenge would you deal out to an OM if it was the mother who’d had the affair?

Jesus, it’s ALWAYS the woman’s fault isn’t it? Always the woman who needs to be taught a lesson

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 22/10/2024 13:20

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 13:09

Correct, I do.

Prisons are full. Judges need to use a bit of common sense.

Wow, talk about minimising sexual offences

lalalapland · 22/10/2024 13:21

SinisterBumFacedCat · 22/10/2024 13:16

Stephen Bear got 21 month prison sentence for sharing revenge porn videos of his ex, he served half his sentence.
Women are held to much higher standards in the justice system and are sentenced disproportionately longer than men. Presumably they think women are more of a threat to the public? More like these sentences are punishment for women falling from grace. Sexiest sentencing.

Agreed, this sentence is totally disproportionate. To those saying 'mens sentencing should be higher, rather than hers being lower' - that is simply not practical in our failing system. Precedence should not be based on gender

lalalapland · 22/10/2024 13:24

unmemorableusername · 22/10/2024 10:31

No affairs aren't illegal or criminal.

Sharing photos is much much worse.

Not always worse to the person involved - I would far prefer an ex shared a nude photo of me than my current partner cheat on me.

NewGreenDuck · 22/10/2024 13:31

lalalapland · 22/10/2024 13:24

Not always worse to the person involved - I would far prefer an ex shared a nude photo of me than my current partner cheat on me.

But I wouldn't. I have no wish for nude photos of me to be on any social media. Particularly if the photos were attached to a website that inferred that I was a prostitute. And if my partner then received phone calls asking about the services provided.

lalalapland · 22/10/2024 13:34

NewGreenDuck · 22/10/2024 13:31

But I wouldn't. I have no wish for nude photos of me to be on any social media. Particularly if the photos were attached to a website that inferred that I was a prostitute. And if my partner then received phone calls asking about the services provided.

I didn't say 'you' would. My current partner and relationship are both wonderful and I therefore value that above most other things in my life.

My ex can do what the hell he likes with my nudes and I'll happily get on with my lovely life.

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 13:35

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 22/10/2024 13:20

Wow, talk about minimising sexual offences

How is it minimising sharing nudes on social media? I repeat it was wrong but a custodial sentence is crazy when judges let paedos off with fines and rehab.

Where is the consistency? I wonder if some judges need to go on refresher courses.

TheBoldHelper · 22/10/2024 13:37

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 13:35

How is it minimising sharing nudes on social media? I repeat it was wrong but a custodial sentence is crazy when judges let paedos off with fines and rehab.

Where is the consistency? I wonder if some judges need to go on refresher courses.

It’s not a race to th4 bottom. If you feel the sentencing guidelines need harmomsing that’s different, but it’s not he did worse and got x so she should get y, each case is unique and the judge has a corridor to play in.

Fluufer · 22/10/2024 13:42

lalalapland · 22/10/2024 13:34

I didn't say 'you' would. My current partner and relationship are both wonderful and I therefore value that above most other things in my life.

My ex can do what the hell he likes with my nudes and I'll happily get on with my lovely life.

If he shared nude photos and personal phone numbers, you may no longer be able to happily get on with your lovely life though. Things that life have ruined victims lives countless times.

Waterboatlass · 22/10/2024 13:43

I mean it's quite complex in terms of a revenge porn case and in terms of the whole picture rather just than the legality. She shared indecent photos without permission. That's pretty much that. However, I'm absolutely no legal expert but I wouldn't imagine there would often be family involved in this way, or the matter of the defendant being exposed to those same indecent photos as a child/ young teenager in whatever sequence of events that occurred.

What gets me is the lack of consistency. Steven Bear for instance. From what I recall of the case the videos were taken in secret and shared. To me the element of deception and filming someone having sex without their knowledge makes that worthy of a harsher sentence than it received

KungFuKitten · 22/10/2024 13:44

I think this affair was a secret for many years and recently came to light via these photos . I do t think the mother would have waited 12 years to kick off .

Waterboatlass · 22/10/2024 13:44

Was it a CCTV without his partner's knowledge

NewGreenDuck · 22/10/2024 13:46

lalalapland · 22/10/2024 13:34

I didn't say 'you' would. My current partner and relationship are both wonderful and I therefore value that above most other things in my life.

My ex can do what the hell he likes with my nudes and I'll happily get on with my lovely life.

So you would be OK with him doing the things I described previously? You would like it or ignore it if your lovely partner started to get phone calls asking what sexual services you provided? You would just ignore maybe hundreds of phone calls? Because that is what happened in this case.

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 13:46

Justice sec currently making a statement on the prisons crisis. It is no wonder there is a crisis when those tweeting offensive comments or posting nudes without consent get locked up.

Let's hope tags and fines are indeed more widely used and prison used for serious crimes and violent offenders.

PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 13:48

No i wouldnt bother. Peoples trouble is they cant move on, they cant control their anger and its never worth it. Move on and enjoy your life. How can you have mental peace when your trying to get revenge.

Resitinas · 22/10/2024 13:54

OWRLOSERS · 22/10/2024 09:09

A much harsher sentence than any man would or has received, merely because she showed little remorse?
You have to wonder if this was handed down by an old misogynistic judge, who has little idea or training regarding the utter psychological life long impact an affair can have not only on the innocent wife but children of which she was when her father betrayed his wife and family.

They are the real victims in all this along with OW's family.

The irony of the OW's ..."I find it hard to believe a woman would do this to another woman. To say I feel violated is an understatement"

Oh fgs. A parent having an affair in and of itself is NOT trauma and to suggest it is and has lifelong effects is genuinely insulting to those who have experienced genuine trauma. Again, I speak as the child of a parent who had one.

And, even it it were, nobody's trauma gives them an excuse to publicly humiliate and expose someone else, nor to threaten their relatives. The woman received a sentence commensurate with her criminal actions. End of.

justbeingasmartarse · 22/10/2024 14:08

notbelieved · 22/10/2024 09:56

Proves my point exactly, doesn't it? Shut the fuck up! No matter what has happened to you, the wrongs you have been on the receiving end of, just shut the fuck up.

Not really. Just direct your anger at the person who actually cheated on you and don’t do anything illegal 🙄

lalalapland · 22/10/2024 14:13

Fluufer · 22/10/2024 13:42

If he shared nude photos and personal phone numbers, you may no longer be able to happily get on with your lovely life though. Things that life have ruined victims lives countless times.

He already ruined my life when he cheated on me multiple times.

No i wouldn't be ok with it, but if i had to choose between that or going through what he already put me through with my new partner, then yes, that would be my preference.

I also did not say I would ignore it. I would expect the police to do something about it. I probably wouldn't expect a 3 year prison sentence for those actions though.

The difference is... the police can potentially do something in because it's illegal. Cheating isn't illegal unfortunately, even though it intentionally causes as much distress and trauma as many other crimes