To hope that Donald Trump doesn’t win the election

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….it’s getting closer.
I was hoping that Kamala would be a shoo-in for the presidency, but looking at the betting odds, I’m feeling quite pessimistic.
It’s incomprehensible to me that a convicted felon, racist, rapist, liar and misogynist who spurred on an insurrection - after everything that’s happened - is running for office again and may very well win.
It’s comforting to read though that fellow Brits DON’T support him.
Apart from Reform. Obviously.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50752-who-did-britons-want-to-win-the-2024-us-presidential-election

I posted this on another thread... but this is the path Trump will be taking to overturn the election if the result is close.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/10/20/trump-overturn-2024-election-plan-00184103

I'm American and that's interesting to hear. Being a realtor is a tough job in the US; typically there is no salary and compensation is completely based on commission. Few people that try to go into that field stay long term for that reason. Democratic leaders have historically pushed for higher tax credits for childcare and Democratic cities typically have more free childcare options through the public school systems. It will also be easier to get a green card under a Democratic president. On the flip side, my husband and I have friends from the UK who are here for work and are panicked to complete the green card process ASAP in fear of Trump getting elected and the process stalling/becoming more complicated.

I wish your family member and her family the best. This election cycle has become an especially stressful time for all of us on this side of the pond.

I wouldn’t be worried that the immigration process would get more difficult or complicated. The big changes the Republicans want to see is for the illegal immigrants crossing. They want to end the catch and release getting lost in the US way of doing things. The legal immigration routes didn’t get any more difficult in Trump’s first term there is no reason to think it would a second term.

Now the person who overstayed their Visa/ESTA on the other hand may find some trouble in the future.

Oh stop with the "I know what y'all think and you are/ you are just going to be mean to me"😭😭😭 nonsense. Climb off your imaginary cross @GoodGollyMsMolly, there's better things to do with the wood.🙄

Scary! Thanks for the article.

I really don't warm to Kamala at all. But I'd vote for her a 100 times over when the alternative is Donald Trump.

Forget about anything else. It's about the economy, stupid. Americans will vote for the candidate that they think will give them more dollars in their pockets.

So why click on this thread?

I keep an open mind about lots of things. Just not about fascists.

The answer to your question "Does someone else's gender really affect people so much" I would say both yes, and no.

I don't think most people consider individual trans people to be threatening, although the competitive female swimmer Riley Gaines might disagree, given her reported experience of having to repeatedly share a swim changing room with Lia Thomas, who had fully intact male genitals.

Individuals should be free to define their identities as they wish. However, alongside this, it’s crucial to maintain definitions based on biological sex —specifically 'male' and 'female'— in law and policy.

These definitions are essential to preserving protections, provisions and opportunities for women and girls, which have impact on daily experiences, safety, and fairness. This includes areas such as womens' prisons, rape crisis centres, sports categories, healthcare, and girls' education to name a few.

Anyone just watch Panorama?

Ok all politicians wether its the U.K or U S A, can't be trusted ,say one thing in their manifesto yet do the opposite, but one thing is clear the dumbest politician I have ever heard is Trump, cringe worthy fact , great leader fake news , he is in it for personal glorification, yet no one can see it, he us not God or a chosen one ,he is a man with a mouth that the only thing that comes out of it is verbal dioreah, his henchman are always mopping up his verbal mistakes, if he wins they will need larger mops and buckets.

@Brinny if he wins the infighting will begin (I don't think vance, Trump and musk actually like each other) and every single day will be dominated by another bat shit crazy news story. And you won't be able to escape it because American politics is reported everywhere (for understandable reasons. But go to Timbctoo and people know who the Simpsons are) Even if you somehow made it to space, there Musk would be egging on the aliens to civil war.

Your so right , they will tear each other apart, my other half who has friend 's in US A have and believe as soon as he wins they will impeech him , the knives will he out ,

The problem is they could also tear a lot more apart than themselves in the process. Otherwise it would be popcorn time.

(by themselves I mean themselves as individuals. I wouldn't get popcorn out to watch the rest of America tear itself apart obviously).

I don't know how anyone who isn't racist could have watched the MSG event and still support Trump.

Even if they also don't support Harris, I find it so deeply unsettling that anyone could watch it and believe Trump's presidency wouldn't reflect the racism and hateful (Nazi 'adjacent' at best) rhetoric on display at the rally.

Can any trump voters / supporters on the thread share their thoughts on it?

Something about 'you can't make a joke these days' and 'doesn't reflect Trump's views'

Ofcourse his campaign vetted all the speeches before putting them on the teleprompter.

And Jr happily retweeted the comments.

And will instead vote for the man who has openly said (and demonstrated!) that he should be able to grab women by the p*ssy? Yes, he's a real champion of women's safeguarding.

Trump and his lot are infinitely worse than even our dreadful previous government, let alone our mediocre current government.

And the USA is powerful enough that we can't just say 'they're thousands of miles away; ignore them'. They have a huge Influence on the world at large.

Can any trump voters / supporters on the thread share their thoughts on it?

I have never seen a Trump supporter answer the tricky questions. And I'm going back to when he was President too. Just the same then.

There is no justification for his rhetoric and of those who spoke at MSG... Trump agreed what they could say. I hope that rally comes back to bite him on the arse.

I think it will.

Hope I’m wrong, but I think he’ll be elected. Many Americans will simply not vote for a woman.
And Johnson was elected here on a platform of playing the buffoon and telling jokes. Despite his well documented private life, lies and incompetence.

In any normal country, the things that were said at the rally by 'comedians', Trump supporters and Trump himself would have been disqualifying.

Trump's campaign team are now trying to distance themselves from the 'joke' about Puerto Rico, but apparently that comedian's original set included calling Kamala Harris a 'cunt', and he was told to remove this. So obviously, they had already seen his material and didn't object until they realised, after the fact, that there are lots of Puerto Ricans living in swing states and it might affect their electoral chances.

There was a really stark graph in the NYT. Demographic groups who are doing less well economically, and demographic groups that are doing better. Those who were doing worse were much less likely to vote for the incumbent party. In the end, it's pretty simple.

She overstayed her esta but she put in an application as the spouse of an American citizen..she is just living with family now and working remotely, America child goes to nursery. Does that mean that ICE could charge into her MIL's house?!

Obviously the visa application is still pending.technically overstays and illegal working are forgiven if you are the spouse of a US citizen