To hope that Donald Trump doesn’t win the election

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….it’s getting closer.
I was hoping that Kamala would be a shoo-in for the presidency, but looking at the betting odds, I’m feeling quite pessimistic.
It’s incomprehensible to me that a convicted felon, racist, rapist, liar and misogynist who spurred on an insurrection - after everything that’s happened - is running for office again and may very well win.
It’s comforting to read though that fellow Brits DON’T support him.
Apart from Reform. Obviously.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50752-who-did-britons-want-to-win-the-2024-us-presidential-election

TBF, they don't like each other. Musk, Trump and Vance are all super smart geniuses that are using each other to get to power. A lot of the voters can also see that they aren't perfect, but are quite pragmatic about putting up with perceived character flaws to get power in the right hands to exercise the radical changes they specifically want. Musk, Trump and Vance are also quite happy to use the more rebellious fringes of that group to get power while being confident they can deal with them (and each other) once in power. It is going to get very very messy quite quickly after the election, and it if genuinely fascinating to see who will win through. You can cooperate with people you dislike, or who you generally disagree with, to push specific issues through. You see that even with the trans/women's rights movement and also with pro-abortion/anti-abortion groups. People can amicably go their separate ways once they have/haven't achieved the policy change they want. That doesn't work when people with radically different ideas/personalities are cooperating together to get power. But it is great for Putin.

Absolutely this!

I feel sorry for people having to live and vote in the US now. It’s like watching a slow moving dictatorship car crash in front of you.

Musk isn't a "genius" and certainly neither is Trump. I think Vance is clever and scheming for sure.

You have failed to escape your twitter bubble.

I would very highly recommend watching one of her recent town hall or q & a events from start to finish and judge for yourself. Twitter is absolutely a very right leaning information black hole at the moment.

Additionally, that's a silly way to think, if you don't mind me saying so. It's a binary choice. Trump is a Hitler-stanning, racist, lying, demented moron whose economic plan, every legitimate economist has judged, will tank the economy. Harris might not have been my absolute first choice, but she's an intelligent living breathing human who has never publicly, anyway, admired Hitler.

If you vote for Harris, you are tacitly accepting some form of extra-constitutional rule in which we are not even entitled to know who is actually making “presidential” decisions on our behalf.

What does that even mean? It's word salad bullshit. It implies with a Trump administration, where the literal plan is to disable all norms, checks and balances, it would be more transparent? Lol.

If you want to step out of your bubble, I very much advocate taking a look at the Bulwark site. It was founded and is staffed by moderate Republicans, all of whom are horrified by the direction their party has taken. They are all, in varying degrees, supporting Harris and have some really high quality analysis and discussion.

Yes it does, there is also an exception for war (I am no theologian but it is obvious Christians have served in many wars).

I don't see how you can be on the fence about the death penalty when it is an absolute certainty that it will lead to the death of innocent people. But then I don't understand how you can oppose legal abortion, knowing that abortion bans kill women. Religious morality does strange things.

You've made some really good points. Some Christians respect the life of the foetus but not the mother.

You haven't made any good points. As I have explained hundreds of women and children have been murdered by murderers (mostly violent men) who have been released after serving their sentences. So the lack of a death penalty caused their murders (far more than innocent people who were executed and that would be almost zero with dna). How can you support that? And that's before you realise that countries like Singapore have far lower murder rates because the death penalty acts as a deterrent. I am on the side of innocent women and children not violent men like you.

You have completely failed to answer the question about how the death penalty inevitably leads to the execution of people who are innocent. How can you claim to be a moral person and accept that this is so?

There is no evidence that the death penalty acts as a deterrent - if it did, death penalty states in the US would have lower murder rates. They don't.

If you're a Christian you respect the sanctity of life and you don't advocate to take it away, irrespective of circumstances.

There have been many miscarriages of justice and people have been found innocent after they've been killed, or in the States, released from death row. Surely you aren't trying to argue for killing the innocent?

You say you're on the side of women and children but places like Singapore have a poor penal system and don't respect human rights. They have people on death row with no access to legal counsel.

The death penalty does not act as a deterrent. It does not reduce violent crime. In states that use the death penalty compared to states that do not, there is no difference in murder rates. There have been many many studies on this and the fact is... you are wrong.
The death penalty has a brutalising effect on society.

Your post is just shrugging away innocent people put to death as some sort of collateral damage. Really unpleasant.

You are OK with innocent people being killed by the state, yet you are up in arms about abortion when the mother's life is at stake and IVF that gives hope to childless couples.

You have completely failed to answer my question too. And brought up the US which people like you always do ( same as arguments about the NHS, so lame as if US is the only other health system in the world). The US is not a good example as people tend to be stuck on death row for years so doesn't act as a deterrent. The murder rate in the UK shot up after the death penalty was abolished and is only so low now because advances in surgery have saved alot of stabbing victims. And as I have said Christians have exceptions for killing in a just cause like war. In fact during the hundreds of years when the death penalty was a thing in the UK, the general public was alot more Christian and so valued the lives of the innocent victims more (see abortion too which was against the law then). That is morality.

Both parties in the US are in a bad place if the 2 best candidates in the country are Trump and Kamala.

It's not much better here though.

It just seems that the people getting involved in politics are not of the same standard that they once were.

I've watched Kamala in interviews and the debate with Trump and she was not catastrophically bad at answering questions. I think she answers questions clearly and thoughtfully. She clearly won the debate.

Trump on the other hand never answers a question. He rambles on, goes off on tangents doing 'the weave' that he seems to be so proud of. He makes no sense at all and spends most of the time boasting about how great he is. He has no sense of humour and his attempts to be funny are just childish insults that a 5 year old would be ashamed of.

Do you have a link to a video of Kamala being catastrophically bad at answering basic, predictable questions? I would be interested to see this.

Are you actually saying without irony that Trump is a super smart genius?

I voted you are being unreasonable.
the US is very different to the U.K.

Many Americans believe the 1st and 2nd amendments are under threat. They see what is happening in U.K. and Europe and it scares them.
The Sanctuary cities have become no-go zones and they do not trust Harris on this.
Just two issues and there are many more.
I don’t like Trump but I do understand why so many of my American friends will vote for him.

No, I want to nail this down. Are you or are you not perfectly fine with innocent people being executed in countries which have the death penalty? Stefan Kiszko is a very good example - he was deliberately framed by the police, he could not have committed the crime he was accused of and he would have been executed if the UK had still had the death penalty. Is that acceptable to you? Your answer here is going to decide whether or not I'm going to continue engaging with you and yes, there is a correct answer here.

And are you perfectly fine with women dying because an abortion ban means they cannot get the healthcare they need? This is happening right now.

Your death penalty numbers don't stack up, by the way. There are very many countries which do not have the deatth penalty which also have very low murder rates.

My goodness, your post is quite shocking.

We are never going back on executing people. Nor lack of gun control

And as I have said Christians have exceptions for killing in a just cause like war

Can you point me to where it says this in the New Testament? Genuinely curious.

Swedish media are reporting a story is about to break that will end Trump's election campaign.

marcusoscarsson.se/uppgifter-trump-kan-tvingas-hoppa-av-bomb-pa-vag-att-slappas/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGItJNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVN31W3WNYhj-OiZH1im7xQOXmxnXheTtXKLEHJqCuaY-acx3KbKHCYe4g_aem_zNIL0qcBNHTHcLrkoWz4DQ

Given all the awful shit he's said and done it'd have to be something truely awful that even his supporters would oppose. Secretly agreed with Putin to sell them Alaska?

thepariscrimefiles · Today 17:27

Are you actually saying without irony that Trump is a super smart genius?

I too wonder how anybody apart from Trump could conclude that he's a genius.

Is this a joke - Americans "see what is happening in the UK and Europe and it scares them"?!

That is the dumbest article I think I’ve ever read.

For those that don’t want to bother translating it…

Random Swedish reporter (paraphrased by me): there’s going to a big news break that could end Trump’s chances. No I’m not going to break the story myself. But historically these stories are known as October surprises

Direct quote “- I know a story. I don't think it's true. But if it is true, it would end Donald Trump's campaign, says the journalist in his YouTube program "Morning Meeting".”

Commentary by me: Translation of the translation: Democrats are scared they are losing so they are going to put out a false story in the final days of the election campaign.

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What is happening in the UK and Europe that scares them exactly? A lack of school shootings? Laws against ‘child marriage’? Minimum age limits on gun ownership, as well as strict controls? Free health care? Employment rights and holiday entitlement? Prey tell.

I’m not an expert on the opinions of all Americans but this is probably one thing that will get their attention.