To hope that Donald Trump doesn’t win the election

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….it’s getting closer.
I was hoping that Kamala would be a shoo-in for the presidency, but looking at the betting odds, I’m feeling quite pessimistic.
It’s incomprehensible to me that a convicted felon, racist, rapist, liar and misogynist who spurred on an insurrection - after everything that’s happened - is running for office again and may very well win.
It’s comforting to read though that fellow Brits DON’T support him.
Apart from Reform. Obviously.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50752-who-did-britons-want-to-win-the-2024-us-presidential-election

Forget 'partisan'. Try 'lies'.

FFS, they were terrorists.They had weapons. They had committed assaults and arson in addition to terrorizing a city and choking them on toxic fumes, keeping them awake all night by blowing horns.
So that's a bullshit false comparison and you don't know what you're talking about.

Yep, and I was there at the time. It absolutely meets the definition of terrorism. I would also bet that @Yelloworangetomato is a Covid conspiracy theorist and climate change denier. S/he didn't deny it and just deflected instead, so I take that as confirmation. There really is no reasoning with such people, but they should be blasted with a strong dose of reality just on principle alone.

As usual, you're talking sheer nonsense. A Godwin is only possible when the subject has nothing to do with Hitler, but Hitler is being used as an irrelevant smear tactic or as a false comparison. You know, the kind of comparisons you specialize in. This is about Trump admiring Hitler.
It's not a Godwin, so pipe down.

B.I.N.G.O.

Yes. Also, he's a celebrity. Americans in particular tend to lionize celebrities, though most of them are complete assholes. I think it's actually because they're assholes and utterly brazen and shameless about it. Certain people admire that and wish they could get away with it. They can't, because they aren't rich and famous, so they have to enjoy it vicariously through people like Trump.

If that’s what you think caused the holocaust you need to go back to school.

You don't think the National Socialists and their ideology were primary causes of the Holocaust?

No and only a simpleton would think so

That's just one of Trump's many lies. Exporters don't pay tarrifs. Importers do. Trump has ridiculously proposed a 60% tarrif on Chinese goods and doesn't seem to understand that US companies will be paying it, therefore so will consumers. Or he just doesn't care. It will only hurt Americans, yet Trumpers are willing to vote for things that hurt them. It's mind boggling how stupid and brainwashed Trumpers are.

What do you think caused the Holocaust then? Because you're sounding a little like a Nazi apologist here.

I don't get how anyone can be so certain that their version of the truth is the right one. Not to claim truth is relative, but pinning it down is not easy.

And to write people's opinions off, by labelling them as alt right, or deplorables, or COVID conspiracists or climate change denialists just seems so reductionist. Critical thinking surely requires that we question and test everything, and keep doing do. Not just accept what we're told or presented with by one source or another.

Millions of very intelligent people will vote for Trump and Harris. Just as millions of intelligent people decided to abstain from taking the COVID vaccine and others took three shots. It's not an alternative reality. Just reality.

I have subscriptions to spectatator/telegraph so quite conservative but occasionally read Guardian/independent. Also like triggernometry, Andrew gold podcasts etc. Not any of those you say. Can't watch gb news as don't have a TV licence as I said. The idea that the BBC is impartial is hilarious which is why they're losing alot of viewers. I don't think Tim Davies and Robbie gibb are traditional conservatives although may indeed call themselves conservatives. Most young people don't watch it so I think their days are numbered thank goodness. I stopped watching them after their dire performances during Brexit and lockdowns.

This is a person with a tendency to stubbornly deny facts, even when presented with proof. You'll not make a dent in that level of denial, but good on you for trying.

It's not their own denial that concerns me, it's the Holocaust denial.

Bingo. Do I win £20 and a joint of meat for Sunday dinner?

Fuck me sideways.
who’s denying the holocaust exactly?

Tbf, I don’t think intelligent and scientifically literate are the same thing. But by the same token you can fall for a conspiracy theory after reading plausible sounding conspiracy theorists from the internet and not necessarily be a conspiracy theorist.

I had to laugh at the idea of the BBC being impartial too.

You don't win anything until you answer the question.

I’m in Australia and I can’t understand why people aren’t more concerned. Donald Trumps tariffs alone will change so many economies. The project 25 manifesto will result in deaths. There’s likely to be violence after the election: and the general destabilisation of democracy is already underway which is exactly what Putin wanted. But people think he’s a funny goofy uncle who says off the cuff things….

A covid conspiracy theorist and climate change denier?

I remember when the dangers of covid were considered a right wing conspiracy theory as it was in the beginning. The very first people wearing masks were ridiculed and calls to close the border deemed racist. A fair few of the covid 'conspiracies' turned out to be actual facts in the end didn't they? Remember when the lab leak theory was censored on social media platforms... I bet you still wear a mask

And with regards to the climate, I think the damage is irreversible, its too late, we're in big trouble, but all the wind turbines, PV panels and EVs aren't going to save us.

Anyway, I'm not engaging further with this slop

I mean you. Your bringing out all of the classic gotchas 😂

So you're not going to answer my question then? I asked you what you think was the primary cause of the Holocaust, if not Nazi politics and ideology. Genuinely interested - but also genuinely thinking you don't have an answer.

Okay, but plenty of scientifically literate people question accepted mainstream narratives around COVID and climate change too. Ditto gender ideology.