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AIBU MiL want to move closer

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Carebear2000 · 21/10/2024 09:08

I fully expect to get flamed for this and probably it's for the best so I know I am the one BU but I'm feeling really annoyed by MIL plans to move closer to us.

I get on OK with MIL but we don't have much contact. We don't have much in common but can get on fine when it comes to chat about DCs and DH. I find her quite frustrating as she can be very passive and wants everyone to help her out with everything (looking up train times, directions etc). She needs constant handholding with everything and complains a lot about getting 'old' - she is actually still very young (think under retirement age). She lives a couple of hours away from us which works out well as it means we see her every other month.

Recently however she has started talking more about wanting to move closer to us. She never talks to me about it but only DH. She has an eye on a place about 5 minutes from us. This proposed move is co-inciding with her also deciding she is 'too old' to drive but the area we live in is one which is not very practical to live in without a car. I've spoken to DH about it and said my misgivings but he doesn't seem to see it. Apparently she thinks she will take taxis everywhere (she doesn't have huge amounts of money so I don't think this is realistic in practicality).

AIBU to not be keen on this? I'm really worried that we'll end up running around after her constantly. DH and I both have busy FT jobs and our weekends are often taken up with DC activities and I am worried that we will now have to make time for MIL too. I'm also annoyed that at no point she has thought to ask my opinion about it either.

OP posts:
Daleksatemyshed · 21/10/2024 11:56

If she's not even at retirement age then it's far too soon to be talking about caring for her Op, I'm in my 60's and certainly don't need care.
Her other DGC is too old now so presunely she's really wants to be near your DC but they're at school so what will she do all week. As nicely as possible I'd tell her the truth, that she'll have to make her own life if she moves, that it won't be like her visits, you all have your own lives.

BustingBaoBun · 21/10/2024 12:01

I'm much older than your MIL and I found it so frustrating when people of a certain age seem to be looking forward to old age and helplessness and immediately try and get members of the family to do everything for them (even though they are quite capable)

I would be embarrassed to be like this, I really would. I keep pushing myself forward doing stuff so I don't get like this.

You need to spell it out to her (or your DH does) as to what you as a family will be doing for her.

Gr8bolsoffyre · 21/10/2024 12:03

She can move wherever she likes. How come you can have your parents close but not DH?

You need to have a firm word with your DH and set very clear boundaries from the off.

She sounds like my Mum after my Dad died. She was totally (controlled by) dependant on my Dad for 40 years. You don’t mention a FIL so if she is widowed then you should have some sympathy for her helplessness and try and encourage some independence. That’s much easier done from closer than afar.

Carebear2000 · 21/10/2024 12:06

Gr8bolsoffyre · 21/10/2024 12:03

She can move wherever she likes. How come you can have your parents close but not DH?

You need to have a firm word with your DH and set very clear boundaries from the off.

She sounds like my Mum after my Dad died. She was totally (controlled by) dependant on my Dad for 40 years. You don’t mention a FIL so if she is widowed then you should have some sympathy for her helplessness and try and encourage some independence. That’s much easier done from closer than afar.

FiL has been out of the picture for a very long time

OP posts:
Dearg · 21/10/2024 12:06

I feel for you. My MIL was an extremely needy person and relied on ‘the family’ as she put it.
In reality that was DH, as his siblings lived further away. And me. As she decided it was my duty

Taxis, she decided , were just too expensive . Buses, though available & free, were not for her. There was a lot of stuff but I’ll not bore you further.

It put a real strain on our marriage and indeed my relationships with DH’s siblings; and we did not have young dc to factor in.

I agree a kindly discussion centred round transport and amenities would help. A pro/ con list of what she gains vs what she will miss.

And hold those boundaries.

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 21/10/2024 12:06

Is DH's brother married? Sorry if I missed that.

Carebear2000 · 21/10/2024 12:17

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 21/10/2024 12:06

Is DH's brother married? Sorry if I missed that.

yes

OP posts:
MrSeptember · 21/10/2024 12:17

She can move wherever she likes. How come you can have your parents close but not DH?

Of course she can. But what statements like this and a couple on the previous page totally miss is that OP has referenced the specific issues of her MIL liking to be a bit helpless and the likelihood that she will be very dependent on both OP's DH and OP herself.

Unfortunately, the world does seem to be split into people who get older and more helpless and those who fight against it with every fiber of their being. The refusal to use taxis @Dearg mentioned really resonates with me. MIL point blank refuses to use them. She thinks they are unsafe. So not only do me/DH/SIL have to drive her anywhere she wants to go, we have to do so because of an entirely irrational reason on her part. We have even offered to make an arrangement with a local taxi driver we know personally - not quite a friend, but a friendly acquaintance through school events etc - who, in addition, works for a company specialising in driving disabled people and SEN children..... but no, she won't do it.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 21/10/2024 12:18

Then I think you have a DH problem rather than a MIL problem. You need to focus on making him entirely clear that you will not:
be going part time
not become a taxi driver for MIL because she deliberately chooses to relocate somewhere with no public transport and no car
will not "take her grocery shopping" just because you are going yourself.
do personal care
take her meals
have her move in with you
have her for lunch every Sunday even if he does the cooking.

You have a full time job and two children. Taking care of another adult who is 20+ years from her dotage and in good health is not acceptable. You will still have your own father to take care of which if he is 20 yrs older than MIL means supporting him is likely to be a more present risk.

It sounds to me as though you are going to have to be actually quite explicit and firm with your husband. Brutal even, as he is not listening to you and may well put it it down to you being upset about your mum. It is an opportunity for you to be much franker than you might otherwise be.

I'm sorry to hear about your mum. It's a really tough time. Look after yourself.

Lemonadeand · 21/10/2024 12:18

DragonGypsyDoris · 21/10/2024 10:49

Be careful that your own children don't copy your attitude and behaviour when you are old and vulnerable. You might end up very lonely.

She’s not even at retirement age!

NotMyDayJob · 21/10/2024 12:39

It does sound like without substantial help she wouldn't manage the move anyway.

I just wanted to add for all the posters suggesting U3A etc. the problem with that is the person has to want to engage, my DM went to one meeting and declared she didn't like it, didn't like the people, thought they were cliquey etc. DM is one of the most sensitive people you will meet so I know they probably didn't do anything other than maybe not make her feel as welcome as she wanted them to. So, she doesn't go, or to anything, because she had that experience. I have had to be really clear I won't be here social life, we get on well and I see her regularly but I'm not doing coffee three times a week because she won't go anywhere else, or inviting her along to everything I do (Ive had all the, 'oh you're doing a flower arranging class with friends I'd love to do that...' due to relocation I have few friends and I do something like this once a year, twice at a push and DM is welcome to organise something if she wants but she expects me to do it)

Also if you are in a place with poor transport it just ends up being something else to give lifts to.

My point is, a certain type of person won't put themselves out, they just expect you to entertain them and it sounds like MIL is like that. Instead of coming for the weekend and being entertained, she'll be expecting that every weekend.

Flustration · 21/10/2024 12:43

DragonGypsyDoris · 21/10/2024 10:49

Be careful that your own children don't copy your attitude and behaviour when you are old and vulnerable. You might end up very lonely.

She's not old and vulnerable. She's around the same age as our Prime Minister.

Gr8bolsoffyre · 21/10/2024 12:48

MrSeptember · 21/10/2024 12:17

She can move wherever she likes. How come you can have your parents close but not DH?

Of course she can. But what statements like this and a couple on the previous page totally miss is that OP has referenced the specific issues of her MIL liking to be a bit helpless and the likelihood that she will be very dependent on both OP's DH and OP herself.

Unfortunately, the world does seem to be split into people who get older and more helpless and those who fight against it with every fiber of their being. The refusal to use taxis @Dearg mentioned really resonates with me. MIL point blank refuses to use them. She thinks they are unsafe. So not only do me/DH/SIL have to drive her anywhere she wants to go, we have to do so because of an entirely irrational reason on her part. We have even offered to make an arrangement with a local taxi driver we know personally - not quite a friend, but a friendly acquaintance through school events etc - who, in addition, works for a company specialising in driving disabled people and SEN children..... but no, she won't do it.

But it’s true and she can’t do anything about it.

The 2 options are to encourage MIL not to move, which could very well upset her and drive a wedge between them, or be very firm with DH (who is the issue here tbh) and set some very firm boundaries.

I too have experience of this kind of situation (although with my own Mother not MIL so clearly that’s different 😂) and I have done just that and it’s worked relatively well! Sorry that it’s not worked out so well in your case.

godmum56 · 21/10/2024 12:53

Daleksatemyshed · 21/10/2024 11:56

If she's not even at retirement age then it's far too soon to be talking about caring for her Op, I'm in my 60's and certainly don't need care.
Her other DGC is too old now so presunely she's really wants to be near your DC but they're at school so what will she do all week. As nicely as possible I'd tell her the truth, that she'll have to make her own life if she moves, that it won't be like her visits, you all have your own lives.

That's you and also its me. but I do know people who seem to relish the little old lady who needs help persona and jump into it as soom as they can.

MrSeptember · 21/10/2024 12:58

@Gr8bolsoffyre to be fair, I think it's working out fine in our case... but with some frustrations and wobbles along the way. And you're absolutely right that OP can't refuse to allow her MIL to move, but I was responding to people being all outraged that she even has concerns about it. And the reality is that there are a lot of families where the adult child really struggles to put these boundaries in place. (and that can go both ways - not always the man. Although in my experience, when the woman doesn't put those boundaries ion, the main impact is that she gets more and more frazzled as she doesn't expect her DH to step up and do more at home or for her parents, BUT she physically can't do it all. But that's a slightly different issue).

I think there's also a legitimate reason to be frustrated when the MIL is not even old or genuinely frail. I think most of us would be fairly accomodating of an elderly parent or in law who is genuinely struggling (eg I DO do more at home because DH IS doing a lot for MIL). But when the person is just taking the piss, it's a lot harder to maintain that sympathy.

WiddlinDiddlin · 21/10/2024 12:59

Book her a fortnight in a nearby AirBnB.

Book it for the busiest off-peak, non-holiday couple of weeks you have coming up in your schedule (particularly that your DH has coming up)...

Tell her 'well this way you can try out living here as close to 'for real', give the area a proper road test and see if she really likes it. Point out that anywhere you've ever been on holiday, as a guest, can seem wonderful for a couple of days here and there... it's not remotely like living there, whereas this will be much more like it.

And then put into action your clear cut plan for NOT being available. Of course she is welcome round for a coffee (but she'll have to get herself to yours and it is just 45 mins for coffee and then you've got to get on so you WILL get on, whether she's buggered off or not..)...

Might cost a bit, but I think it'd be money well spent for her to realise for herself that living close to you won't be the pipedream she thinks it is.

TheCultureHusks · 21/10/2024 13:10

I think you need to sit down with your DH and really spell out what you’re worried about. The bottom line is this - the current situation works well BECAUSE of the distance. The physical distance prevents the aspects of her relationship with DH which would be a problem, becoming a problem. The physical distance allows you BOTH to maintain the relationship in a way which gratifies and satisfies her and this in turn means that you can successfully focus on the positives. Result - you all get on ok.

It isn’t just ‘moving closer’ … it’s ‘upending everything’ - and he needs to be made to really understand that a very likely outcome is none of you getting on very well any more at all.

You can easily spell all this out. So, she’s needy and likes things done for her and likes to see your DH as a big avenue of support. At a distance this works fine. Support can be there for the big things BECAUSE she is unable to expect to take up your physical time and effort with small things or to demand very frequent visits, because of the distance. You can easily overlook the elements of her personality you don’t gell with BECAUSE she isn’t there more frequently. Similarly, you can devote quality time to her for these visits as it doesn’t take up too much time. Result is that she feels cherished and all is ok.

But move closer and the potential for conflict and bad feeling is suddenly very large. She will want more time. But it’s not there - you are both busy, you have young children. She won’t get the attention simply increased to fill the time she now has to focus on DH. If he does increase the time, he does it at a cost to your family, which you won’t accept. She will feel let down. She’ll likely blame you. You don’t like her enough to want to increase time spent with her, which is fair. But that does not mean that your DH can pick up that baton as his first, and chosen, duty is to your own family life and kids.

The first red flag here too is her only discussing it with him. That should flag up to you both very clearly what the first issue is going to be. She isn’t seeing ‘your family’ as the people she’s choosing to move closer to - she’s just seeing him, her son - an autonomous person. That really should have been nipped in the bud from the start - HE should have been the one to push back saying WE WE WE in return - mum you realise WE have pretty busy lives, you are likely to not see US a lot more than you do now? That WE won’t be able to drive you around and get you to the dentist and doctor that’s a lot further away? Tell him to ask her, have you discussed this with Carebear? If not why not? I bet she’ll be completely astonished that there’s any need to, OR (worse still) get huffy that she’s not about to start ‘asking permission’ to make plans for what she wants from ‘her own son’s’ relationship with her. Red flag!!!

He’s being very naive here. She’s going to expect to be able to call on him - to do inconsequential things, to just spend time, to pander a bit. You will be saying no, not to him spending time- but to being able to carve out that time by pushing his family responsibilities onto you. There will be conflict and the end result will be - her blaming you, him being stressed, you disliking her (especially as you don’t have a lot of goodwill to fall back on). And she won’t be happier!

It seems, ultimately, quite unfair of him if he’s not spelling this out to her, because quite rightly, if he’s making noncommittal noises she will get a shock when he’s not able to give her a lot more time. And it will be too late by then as she will have moved! The amenities thing is also really important - she’s going to be a lot more out on a limb by the sound of it.

I would stick to my guns, say if she moves I predict a falling out before very long, a less happy marriage and a much less happy MIL, so talk to your mother and warn her that she currently has as much time as we can realistically give.

CraftyYankee · 21/10/2024 13:11

WiddlinDiddlin · 21/10/2024 12:59

Book her a fortnight in a nearby AirBnB.

Book it for the busiest off-peak, non-holiday couple of weeks you have coming up in your schedule (particularly that your DH has coming up)...

Tell her 'well this way you can try out living here as close to 'for real', give the area a proper road test and see if she really likes it. Point out that anywhere you've ever been on holiday, as a guest, can seem wonderful for a couple of days here and there... it's not remotely like living there, whereas this will be much more like it.

And then put into action your clear cut plan for NOT being available. Of course she is welcome round for a coffee (but she'll have to get herself to yours and it is just 45 mins for coffee and then you've got to get on so you WILL get on, whether she's buggered off or not..)...

Might cost a bit, but I think it'd be money well spent for her to realise for herself that living close to you won't be the pipedream she thinks it is.

Brilliant idea. Make it a month, no way for her to keep a facade for that long. It may seem a lot now but you'll save a fortune in divorce costs down the road!

Polkad · 21/10/2024 13:21

Whether you realise or not your husband thinks you are going to be her carer.

I would think another forthright conversation that tells him that any expectation that she will be in your house morning noon and night will END your marriage.
She doesn't care about you or what you want.
Neither does your husband.
They will both suit themselves and she will impose on you when she likes.
Her son, his house.

If I were you I would have a hard think about your marriage because if she moves nearby it will likely end through resentment.
He hasn't been bothered by your parents, how convenient.
You will be cooking and hosting constantly and she will expect to be taxied everywhere.

So you had better speak up clearly NOW and spell it out, OR you will be accused of not having been clearer.

You have been warned.
If you have sny inheritance coming, keep it separate in your sole account.
You may need it.
Sorry if the above is grim but MIL's like yours destroy marriages.

LorettyTen · 21/10/2024 13:21

Let her move closer then you won't have to travel far every time she takes to her chaise longue with an attack of the vapours.
However, stand firm against any incidences of fake pathetic old ladyism. Don't be available for lifts except in exceptional situations and if necessary, pretend you don't know how to do things she supposedly can't do, like look up train times.

Crikeyalmighty · 21/10/2024 13:26

@Antsinmypantsneedtodance that's exactly what my 85 year old FIL is doing- moving from somewhere 4 hours drive away to somewhere 11 miles away - As it happens he couldn't afford the type of thing he wanted where we lived but could by being 22 minutes drive away ( connected on bus and train too) he's buying a place 2 minute walk from pub, coop, medical centre , bus stop and urgent care centre and half a mile out of midsized funky town- lol!! Works for us too.

Crikeyalmighty · 21/10/2024 13:28

@WiddlinDiddlin I agree with this too- FIL did this

moomoomeow · 21/10/2024 14:07

I made it clear to DH that I will not be looking his mum; and made it clear to MIL that we will be moving (back to the city we moved from) in the near future as soon as I heard she has plans to move closer to us. Thankfully, DH is on my side.

She has drunkenly said they (MIL & FIL) need to be somewhere close so we can drive her to medical appointments. I have politely reminded her she has an oldest son/DIL (within walking distance albeit he doesnt drive) & a daughter (so maybe she can move to where she is instead)🙃.

Set your boundaries and manage her expectations.

DragonGypsyDoris · 21/10/2024 14:22

Flustration · 21/10/2024 12:43

She's not old and vulnerable. She's around the same age as our Prime Minister.

Read my post again and try to understand it.

Amyknows · 21/10/2024 14:27

It's good that he knows how you feel. Keep reinforcing that and don't back down. She's sly, she knows what she's doing . She's working on DH and setting the background. You will be the last to be informed and you WILL become her carer/run around skivvy. If you do that for your own DP's then you do not owe that to anyone else's parents.

Your SIL has probably made it clear that they aren't doing it so you are the next in line. I would actually start being less available, offering to do anything extra, and just give her a gentle but firm preview of what to expect. This sounds harsh but she will be your problem and interfere in your marriage if you don't do something now.