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To think that releasing crickets at a gay rights conference, specifically to shut them down, should be considered a homophobic hate crime? Somehow these people are crowdfunding to do it AGAIN

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Zahariel · 17/10/2024 09:03

The optics of having to fumigate a hall after gay people used it to speak about their rights being eroded should not be lost on anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13950839/Trans-activists-release-bags-insects-LGB-Alliance-conference.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

This is CLERLY A HATE CRIME - yet it's being reported as trans rights activists, not anti gay hate mongers, I can't really understand why not

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/10/2024 14:28

spannasaurus · 17/10/2024 14:25

LGBA conference list of speakers and topics

8.30 DOORS OPEN
Grab a tea or a coffee and browse a fantastic array of stalls.

9.30 WELCOME from our CEO, Kate Barker

9.45 YOUNG LESBIANS FIGHT BACK
Alison Ellis, Jo Bartosch
Alison and Jo discuss the plight of young lesbians, the impact of social media, and consider how lesbian spaces, culture and autonomy can be reclaimed.

10.30 GENERATION GAY
Chair: Dermot Kehoe
Frederick Schminke, Hassan Mamdani, Richard Kirker, Richard Merrin
Men were prosecuted in the 1960s for their homosexuality. Today there is a new threat to men who state their, exclusively, same-sex attraction. Our cross-generational panel ask, will it ever be OK to be gay?

11.20 BREAK

11.50 SOUNDING THE ALARM
Chair: Eileen Gallagher, OBE
Julie Bindel, Cath Leng, Ben Appel, Simon Edge
Our panel discusses courage, conviction and curiosity in the media and explore how the most consequential stories of our era have been covered – or covered up.

12.45 HUNGRY HEARTS
Tonje and Edith of Hungry Hearts perform us into lunch including their Eurovision entry for Norway, Laika.

1.00 LUNCH WITH FRIENDS
Friends’ Groups from right across the UK are travelling to Conference to give you the chance to connect, in person, with your local group. Find your tribe, and your vibe, and make new friends for life.

2.00 OUR KEYNOTE SPEAKER – JAMES DREYFUS
We are thrilled that the talented and much-loved actor, James Dreyfus, will be addressing Conference.

2.15 SEX, LIES AND VICTORIES
Chair: Bev Jackson
Anya Palmer, Michael Foran, Lizzy Pitt, Akua Reindorf
Our panel provide expert analysis of the court cases that shape our movement. They are the people who are making history.

3.15 BREAK

3.45 JAMIE REED IN CONVERSATION WITH KATE HARRIS
Jamie Reed made headlines when, appalled by the medical treatment of minors at a US gender clinic, she decided to blow the whistle on their unethical practices. Hear how her intervention led to law changes that protect children in a number of States.

4.15 GAY QUESTION TIME
Chair: Rhona Hotchkiss
Jan Baxter, Faika El-Nagashi, Charlotte Kenyon, Laurie Burton
Our panel of LGB cross-party politicians, trades’ unionists, councillors and Peers will answer questions from the audience about how we can work more closely with our elected representatives to effect meaningful change.

5.15 WE MEAN BUSINESS
Toby Hopkins
Toby will launch an exciting new LGB Alliance initiative that’s set to tackle the capture of our workplaces and provide better representation and create better working conditions for lesbians, gay men and bisexuals.

5.30 CLOSING, KATE BARKER

5.45 BARS OPEN AND THE PARTY BEGINS!

6.30 GRASS ROOTS ACTIVIST AWARD
We will reveal which activist you voted the unsung hero of 2024.

7.00 THE BIG GAY DISCO

Thank you. Imagine being so deeply homophobic that you'd try to stop this - or argue against it on Mumsnet 😡

Still - when people show us who they really are, we do need to believe them I suppose.

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 14:29

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 14:25

Even if they only represent a small number of gay people, why should they not be allowed to exist on that basis?

They're allowed to exist, but presenting them as some sort of 'grassroots' campaign for LGB people is egregious.

Beowulfa · 17/10/2024 14:30

Thanks to the post listing the actual agenda. Why would anyone feel the need to aggressively protest against any of those talks?

SinnerBoy · 17/10/2024 14:30

Christinapple · Today 14:28

It's basically all they talk about. It's a charity with only a 7% LGB people as membership (as shown in court) who have anti-trans views and want to talk only about topics relating to trans people.

Why do you constantly repeat such previously disproven rubbish?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 14:31

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 14:29

They're allowed to exist, but presenting them as some sort of 'grassroots' campaign for LGB people is egregious.

Why? What do you think a grassroots campaign is?

Snowypeaks · 17/10/2024 14:31

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 12:36

You might have a point, but I'm mindful of the fact they said much the same about the women's suffrage movement.

Suffragettes resorted to acts of terrorism because after centuries of lobbying, campaigning and even pleading, they still did not have the right to vote. They wanted the same rights as men had.
People who claim a special identity already have the same rights as everyone else.

GCAcademic · 17/10/2024 14:31

SinnerBoy · 17/10/2024 14:30

Christinapple · Today 14:28

It's basically all they talk about. It's a charity with only a 7% LGB people as membership (as shown in court) who have anti-trans views and want to talk only about topics relating to trans people.

Why do you constantly repeat such previously disproven rubbish?

Probably because facts and material reality are not a strong suit for TRAs?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 14:31

SinnerBoy · 17/10/2024 14:30

Christinapple · Today 14:28

It's basically all they talk about. It's a charity with only a 7% LGB people as membership (as shown in court) who have anti-trans views and want to talk only about topics relating to trans people.

Why do you constantly repeat such previously disproven rubbish?

Because previously disproven rubbish is all they've got.

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 14:32

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 14:25

LGB Alliance is by and for LGB people

They're an astroturfed 55 Tufton St lobby group, they represent LGB people in the same way their office mates the Taxpayer's Alliance represent taxpayers.

Do you have any evidence of that, or are you just taking the fact they rent space on Tufton St to make that accusation?

Either way, they are a group of homosexual and bisexual people who have slightly different political aims to other groups who say they support homosexual and bisexual people. Why should they not have the right to hold their events without disruption?

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 14:33

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 14:31

Why? What do you think a grassroots campaign is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

Astroturfing - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 14:33

Snowypeaks · 17/10/2024 14:31

Suffragettes resorted to acts of terrorism because after centuries of lobbying, campaigning and even pleading, they still did not have the right to vote. They wanted the same rights as men had.
People who claim a special identity already have the same rights as everyone else.

Edited

Absolutely this. Trans activists aren't fighting for equal rights. They're fighting to retain special privileges that the rest of us mere mortals don't have and for other groups not to have the same rights they aggressively demand for themselves. (Because the rights they aggressively demand for themselves are in conflict with the rights of multiple other groups and we can't all get what we want.)

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 14:34

Very interesting, do you have any actual evidence to support this egregious allegation you are making?

InvisibleBuffy · 17/10/2024 14:34

Yes, this was a homophobic hate crime and, despite some posters' wide-eyed denials, if anyone did this at a trans gathering, they'd consider it an attack and a hate crime too.
A protest involves placards, getting your position across, not dumping so many bugs in a conference centre that it has to be evacuated and fumigated.
There's nothing honorable or amusing about trying to stop gay men and lesbians from gathering or speaking.
If trans activists genuinely believed they were in the right, they'd be shouting those genuine counter arguments from the rooftops instead of trying to shut the discussion down.
The only bright side of this whole shitshow is how it is illustrating just how homophobic, regressive and authoritarian that the trans movement has become.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 14:35

InvisibleBuffy · 17/10/2024 14:34

Yes, this was a homophobic hate crime and, despite some posters' wide-eyed denials, if anyone did this at a trans gathering, they'd consider it an attack and a hate crime too.
A protest involves placards, getting your position across, not dumping so many bugs in a conference centre that it has to be evacuated and fumigated.
There's nothing honorable or amusing about trying to stop gay men and lesbians from gathering or speaking.
If trans activists genuinely believed they were in the right, they'd be shouting those genuine counter arguments from the rooftops instead of trying to shut the discussion down.
The only bright side of this whole shitshow is how it is illustrating just how homophobic, regressive and authoritarian that the trans movement has become.

Oh they've got placards too. Saying stuff like "decapitate TERFs".

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 14:38

Christinapple · 17/10/2024 14:28

It's basically all they talk about. It's a charity with only a 7% LGB people as membership (as shown in court) who have anti-trans views and want to talk only about topics relating to trans people.

This means the LGBAlliance has literally no benefit for gay and bi people who see no issue with trans people. As time goes on trans people are accepted more and more by the younger generations (it's not a coincidence group photos of the LGBAlliance or the KJK rallies tend to be older people).

As well as being dominantly about trans people, they are becoming more irrelevant as time goes due to trans people being more accepted by every new generation.

They're also against conversion therapy (ironic for a gay rights charity) and helped stall Britain from passing it, leaving us behind the rest of W and Central Europe.

You have been on a thread that you started where you have been shown to be posting this misinformation.

Here, I will post this again for you.

LGB Alliance & the 7% misrepresentation

This is a statement released by LGB Alliance about that 7% statement made in court.

One particularly sticky myth is that only 7% of LGB Alliance supporters are lesbians. Here’s how that started:

We were delighted to be able to support Allison Bailey at her tribunal in the form of a witness statement to help prove that gender critical people are likely to be women and lesbians. As part of that we shared some numbers from our newsletter subscriber list.

We used Mailchimp to send our newsletter and when we set up our account in 2019 we added some subscriber questions which, as it turned out, provided us with ambiguous data.

We asked people whether they were lesbian, whether they were lesbian/gay or if they preferred not to say. The flaws being that we couldn’t tell whether those who ticked lesbian/gay were men or women and that none of the fields were compulsory – so many people skipped them altogether.

The result was that we had 4,502 newsletter subscribers and 316 ticked the box describing themselves as lesbian. That’s 7% of the total. A further 949 ticked the box lesbian/gay and 1,427 were unspecified or preferred not to say. Based on that data that means that between 316 (7%) and 2,376 (53%) of our subscribers were lesbian.

The 7% figure was used in court because it’s important that evidence is based on provable fact and it is a fact that, at a minimum, 7% of our subscribers were lesbians. However, common sense told us that that number was really much higher.

In August 2022 we commissioned a survey of our subscribers to help us plan to deliver services and support to LGB people. One of the questions we asked was about sexual orientation. That data showed that 34% are lesbian, 33% are gay men, 12% are bisexual, 20% are heterosexual and 1% preferred not to say. We are satisfied that this data is robust."

Plus, we have had at least one poster who declared that the 7% mentioned should be given high credibility due to being submitted as evidence and this statement no credence at all, because apparently that poster forgot that the numbers in this statement were also submitted to court as evidence at a later court hearing.

As can be seen here:

https://lgballiance.org.uk/tribunal-transcript/ 

The bit on membership is here:

"Yes, one of our biggest battles is to fight disinformation and on 11 August we sent out a survey, quite a complicated survey, to our 6,000 subscribers. Those are people who subscribe to LGB Alliance newsletters. There were many questions, and we’re still going through the responses, but one of the first questions was to ask people whether they were lesbian, gay, bisexual, straight, trans, etc. These are- We got a 20% response rate, which is unusually high. We were pleased about that, and it more or less shows an 80/20 split which is 80% gay, lesbian, bisexual, 20% straight, so it could be families of LGB people, it could be supporters. So 34% are lesbian, 33% are gay, the rest of bisexual and straight. Just to clarify and to add something else. The two founders are lesbians. The management team has always been made up of lesbian, gay and bisexual and the same with our trustees. So it’s very irritating to constantly be told that we have been led by homophobic, straight, white men, which is quite a common accusation."

Page 56/57 Wednesday 14th September 2022

NOTE AGAIN: the figure of 7% you keep quoting, represented the lesbians who declared their sexual orientation on the survey. It was NEVER just 7% LGB people as you keep trying to misrepresent further.

I know you like to post in ways that bring about negative reactions to your posts for whatever reaction it brings you, but seriously, your claims are not even close to being credible these days if this is your standard.

Tribunal Transcript - LGB Alliance UK

https://lgballiance.org.uk/tribunal-transcript/

Waitwhat23 · 17/10/2024 14:40

YellowAsteroid · 17/10/2024 14:04

Why the fuck did any other group of people take sucll a hostile view towards the LGB Alliance in the first place that this even became an issue? Oh... that's right. Because a group of people, some of them homosexual and bisexual themselves, decided that NO homosexual and bisexual should have any representation other than Stonewall or any that aligned closely with Stonewall. So those people deliberately spread absurd misrepresentations.

Yes @Helleofabore it is astounding, isn't it? Imagine if a political party said, "We only need one party to represent people's opinions." Or if the RSPCA tried to stop a Donkey sanctuary or the RSPB from existing, to the extent that they took them to court to close them down?

Although I may be part of the problem. I'm a straight woman who donates to the LGB Alliance, because they look like my sort of people and do wonderful work.

Mermaids tried to get LGB Alliance on pretty much that basis. And failed. And are now being investigated themselves.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/06/trans-charity-mermaids-fails-to-have-charitable-status-stripped-from-lgb-alliance

Also, IIRC, part of their whinge was that if there was another organisation, that people might give their money to that organisation instead.

Trans children’s charity Mermaids fails to have charitable status stripped from LGB Alliance

Judges say law does not allow group to challenge charitable status of new organisation with opposing views

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/06/trans-charity-mermaids-fails-to-have-charitable-status-stripped-from-lgb-alliance

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 14:41

And the evidence for your claim?

Or is it now impossible to have any independent business arrangement where space is sub-leased without a group being forever aligned to be politically aligned with another organisation?

Would you say the same thing if World Wildlife Fund leased an office on Tufton St? Or are you just keeping your focus on a group that you don't agree with?

Beowulfa · 17/10/2024 14:46

A lot of people really do actively hate the wrong type of gay people (the boring old fashioned same-sex attracted ones), don't they?

YellowAsteroid · 17/10/2024 14:46

Ridiculous, wasn't it @Waitwhat23 ? As if there can only be ONE charity for same-sex attracted people?

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 14:48

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 14:41

And the evidence for your claim?

Or is it now impossible to have any independent business arrangement where space is sub-leased without a group being forever aligned to be politically aligned with another organisation?

Would you say the same thing if World Wildlife Fund leased an office on Tufton St? Or are you just keeping your focus on a group that you don't agree with?

One does not simply go on Rightmove and rent an office in 55 Tufton St, an address so politically charged that it has tens of thousands of newspaper column inches written about it and it's own Wikipedia page

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Tufton_Street

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 14:48

spannasaurus · 17/10/2024 14:25

LGBA conference list of speakers and topics

8.30 DOORS OPEN
Grab a tea or a coffee and browse a fantastic array of stalls.

9.30 WELCOME from our CEO, Kate Barker

9.45 YOUNG LESBIANS FIGHT BACK
Alison Ellis, Jo Bartosch
Alison and Jo discuss the plight of young lesbians, the impact of social media, and consider how lesbian spaces, culture and autonomy can be reclaimed.

10.30 GENERATION GAY
Chair: Dermot Kehoe
Frederick Schminke, Hassan Mamdani, Richard Kirker, Richard Merrin
Men were prosecuted in the 1960s for their homosexuality. Today there is a new threat to men who state their, exclusively, same-sex attraction. Our cross-generational panel ask, will it ever be OK to be gay?

11.20 BREAK

11.50 SOUNDING THE ALARM
Chair: Eileen Gallagher, OBE
Julie Bindel, Cath Leng, Ben Appel, Simon Edge
Our panel discusses courage, conviction and curiosity in the media and explore how the most consequential stories of our era have been covered – or covered up.

12.45 HUNGRY HEARTS
Tonje and Edith of Hungry Hearts perform us into lunch including their Eurovision entry for Norway, Laika.

1.00 LUNCH WITH FRIENDS
Friends’ Groups from right across the UK are travelling to Conference to give you the chance to connect, in person, with your local group. Find your tribe, and your vibe, and make new friends for life.

2.00 OUR KEYNOTE SPEAKER – JAMES DREYFUS
We are thrilled that the talented and much-loved actor, James Dreyfus, will be addressing Conference.

2.15 SEX, LIES AND VICTORIES
Chair: Bev Jackson
Anya Palmer, Michael Foran, Lizzy Pitt, Akua Reindorf
Our panel provide expert analysis of the court cases that shape our movement. They are the people who are making history.

3.15 BREAK

3.45 JAMIE REED IN CONVERSATION WITH KATE HARRIS
Jamie Reed made headlines when, appalled by the medical treatment of minors at a US gender clinic, she decided to blow the whistle on their unethical practices. Hear how her intervention led to law changes that protect children in a number of States.

4.15 GAY QUESTION TIME
Chair: Rhona Hotchkiss
Jan Baxter, Faika El-Nagashi, Charlotte Kenyon, Laurie Burton
Our panel of LGB cross-party politicians, trades’ unionists, councillors and Peers will answer questions from the audience about how we can work more closely with our elected representatives to effect meaningful change.

5.15 WE MEAN BUSINESS
Toby Hopkins
Toby will launch an exciting new LGB Alliance initiative that’s set to tackle the capture of our workplaces and provide better representation and create better working conditions for lesbians, gay men and bisexuals.

5.30 CLOSING, KATE BARKER

5.45 BARS OPEN AND THE PARTY BEGINS!

6.30 GRASS ROOTS ACTIVIST AWARD
We will reveal which activist you voted the unsung hero of 2024.

7.00 THE BIG GAY DISCO

Thanks Spanna....

Hard to see anything to protest about there...

I mean Jamie Reed is a lesbian and in a relationship with a female person with a transgender identity, and Jamie is very experienced in the care of children who have gender dysphoria. As far as I know, Jamie wants these children to receive the highest standard of care available. Care which is evidence based.

Why would protestors not want this discussed? Is this being framed as 'anti-trans' or 'transphobic' by some posters? Why? Because Jamie disagreed with what she saw being done and saw the results were not improving children's lives?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 14:49

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 14:48

One does not simply go on Rightmove and rent an office in 55 Tufton St, an address so politically charged that it has tens of thousands of newspaper column inches written about it and it's own Wikipedia page

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Tufton_Street

Any evidence that isn't either your own opinion or a link to a generic Wikipedia page which doesn't even mention the LGB Alliance?

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 14:50

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 14:48

One does not simply go on Rightmove and rent an office in 55 Tufton St, an address so politically charged that it has tens of thousands of newspaper column inches written about it and it's own Wikipedia page

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Tufton_Street

Why does an independent business sub-lease arrangement have to go through 'Rightmove'?

And you would be foolish to rely on Wikipedia for political commentary. A politician in Victoria, Australia has recently found this out to his, and his leadership team's, detriment. And extreme embarrassment.

You seem to be coming across as someone who has rather an entrenched prejudice about a group and you seem very keen to repeat weak evidence that you probably have seen from people who are similarly deeply entrenched in prejudice that you might respect on social media.

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 15:01

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/10/2024 14:25

We're going backwards for lesbians and gay men. I'm old enough to remember when none of us dared walk hand in hand with a same sex partner, when lesbians had their children removed from them for the crime of being involved with another woman, when gay men were routinely queer bashed and homophobia was commonly accepted. Society progressed and lesbians and gay men have been able to live openly and homophobia openly challenged.

Now - homophobes and misogynists feel comfortable in protesting outside every single meeting where lesbians are involved - encouraged by some deeply dangerous and unpleasant men. Even mainstream feminist conferences like FILIA have the misogynists and homophobes issuing threats of sexual violence .
And look what happened at the inaugural meeting of the Lesbian Project - men and some women feeling fully empowered to openly express their lesbophobia / homophobia:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4771088-lesbian-project-meeting-protested-by-men

It seems to be a constant doesn't it? Where ever women, including lesbian and bisexual women, meet to discuss their needs, they are protested by groups who are determined to centre male people and force female people to accept those male people as being in any way 'female'.

But it is never the other way around? Women do not protest and attempt to intimidate or silence events for people with gender identities.

Yet, we have so many people here trying to frame homosexual and bisexual people as being deserving of being silenced. Simply based on the fact that the posters might disagree with those homosexual and bisexual people.

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 15:03

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 14:50

Why does an independent business sub-lease arrangement have to go through 'Rightmove'?

And you would be foolish to rely on Wikipedia for political commentary. A politician in Victoria, Australia has recently found this out to his, and his leadership team's, detriment. And extreme embarrassment.

You seem to be coming across as someone who has rather an entrenched prejudice about a group and you seem very keen to repeat weak evidence that you probably have seen from people who are similarly deeply entrenched in prejudice that you might respect on social media.

Edited

Here's a BBC article about 55 Tufton St instead (although I guess the tinfoil hatters will ignore that too)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63039558

How about if you can get me a quote for a five year small office lease in the building I'll delete my account?

55 Tufton Street

55 Tufton Street: The other black door shaping British politics

55 Tufton Street has hosted organisations that have had a big political impact over the last decade.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63039558

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