To think that releasing crickets at a gay rights conference, specifically to shut them down, should be considered a homophobic hate crime? Somehow these people are crowdfunding to do it AGAIN

[Zahariel]

The optics of having to fumigate a hall after gay people used it to speak about their rights being eroded should not be lost on anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13950839/Trans-activists-release-bags-insects-LGB-Alliance-conference.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

This is CLERLY A HATE CRIME - yet it's being reported as trans rights activists, not anti gay hate mongers, I can't really understand why not

In terms of the 7% figure, I have an extract from the court records, where one of the founders of the LGB Alliance tried to account for this.

"At that trial, representatives of several groups were asked to give rough percentages of the sort of demographic groupings. It wasn’t Allison Bailey who said anything about how many lesbians were in our organisation, so that was one error. It was our managing director, Kate Barker, who said that of our- The only data we had at that time, which is why we followed up with a survey, was a very rough post-conference survey, asking people whether they enjoyed the conference, feedback for next year, what we can do better and how do you- Are you a lesbian, gay, etc., etc? I think it was a ridiculous figure which came out at 7%. Mr Nicolson inflated it 20%. Again, that was a factual error. So two factual errors there but, at that time, the only evidence we had was that in response to the clunky post-conference survey, which had a very unprofessional approach to asking the question, we came up with that figure of 7%, which none of us can explain. It seems to have just been an error which is why we wanted to do a survey soon after that because we know, we know who our supporters are and what their commitment is to us, and why the vast majority of them are so keen to support a same sex attracted charity. "

lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/14-September-2022-Mermaids-v-Charity-Commission-Anor-Transcript-of-Hearing-as-agreed-by-the-Parties-.pdf

So 7% for gay and lesbian people was the figure that LGBA recorded themselves from participants at one of their conferences. And then they simply couldn't explain it and it doesn't sound like they even tried to as they say they have no idea how that happened.

Why didn't they examine the survey wording in case that caused confusion?

Why didn't they recount the questionnaires in case there was a miscount ?

Why do they not have ANY reasonable explanation for why they are unhappy with the 7% figure?

They didn't do any of this by the sounds of it, incredibly shoddy.

And they didn't have any understanding of how they have gained this figure.

Maybe, just maybe they actually gained this figure because it was an accurate reflection of the proportion of gay and lesbian people present at that conference and an accurate measure of the LGB Alliance.

Of course they knew the optics of that looked terrible so they commissioned another survey, and in the meantime word got out that this figure was going to be very compromising for them where the composition of their group came under scrutiny.

With new awareness of this respondents in their online surveys were incentivised to record themselves as gay or lesbian in greater numbers to help get over this unfortunate predicament they found themselves in.

They are targeting the LGB Alliance on the basis of their sexuality though. They object to the fact that the LGB Alliance define a lesbian as a biologically female person who is exclusively sexually attracted to other biologically female people and a gay man as a biologically male person who is exclusively sexually attracted to other biologically male people.

Most LGBTQ+ organisations are on board with the idea that those definitions are inherently bigoted and that lesbians refusing to include trans women in their dating pool are transphobic. They also object to the LGB Alliance expressing the view that trans identifying children are probably just same sex attracted and should be left well alone. (I had a conversation with a lesbian colleague the other week who said that if Mermaids and their ilk had been around when she was a teenager she would probably be called Richard now, and she hadn't even heard of the LGB Alliance until I told her about them.)

Why didn't they examine the survey wording in case that caused confusion?

They did. Hence the better worded later survey. They're pretty open that the first survey wasn't as well thought as it could have been.

From which they then got more accurate overview of their demographic. Which is available on their website (HTH).

I'm just laughing at the bad take nature of your last two paragraphs.

So, you don't understand that the group left it open for people to answer or not answer because they didn't want people to feel pressure to 'define' themselves?

Yes, the information would have been useful. But you are here declaring they are incompetent for not forcing the answer from LGB people.

Why the fuck did any other group of people take such a hostile view towards the LGB Alliance in the first place that this even became an issue? Oh... that's right. Because a group of people, some of them homosexual and bisexual themselves, decided that NO homosexual and bisexual should have any representation other than Stonewall or any that aligned closely with Stonewall. So those people deliberately spread absurd misrepresentations.

And look.... here we are ... discussing it again as a tool to demonise the group. Well done.

Why should trans issues be discussed at an LGB conference? It’s not about trans people, they need to stop
being so childish, they have no right to control what other groups want to meet and discuss.

Why don’t the protestors and their allies run their own conference?

I bet you would though.

By the way. The figure was 7% lesbians.

It keeps being further misrepresented as '7% gay and lesbian' by people who simply seem to wish to spread misinformation, even after they know it is false.

Are lesbians disgusting & cruel too?

The trans movement is deeply deeply homophobic and it amazes me so many refuse to see that

Raspberryripple11 · Today 11:53

There's a difference between not wanting to sleep with someone and trying to take away someone's rights.

Taking away the rights of women, girls, lesbians and gay men is exactly what the trans activist zealots are trying to do. Do you support a man with a penis, claiming to be a lesbian, trying to coerce a lesbian into having sex with him is beyond the pale? Because that's what they do, there have been enough stories of that linked to on MN over the years.

They - the men with penises, claiming to be women - want to and have succeeded in getting into women's toilets and changing rooms, women's sports, where they have huge physical advantages and the like.

That's taking away the rights of women and girls to have privacy and dignity and a fair chance in sports. That's what the trans zealots have done.

Do you support those things?

suggestionsplease1 · Today 13:35

With new awareness of this respondents in their online surveys were incentivised to record themselves as gay or lesbian in greater numbers to help get over this unfortunate predicament they found themselves in.

That's pure speculation on your part, entirely unevidenced in any way whatsoever.

Why the fuck did any other group of people take sucll a hostile view towards the LGB Alliance in the first place that this even became an issue? Oh... that's right. Because a group of people, some of them homosexual and bisexual themselves, decided that NO homosexual and bisexual should have any representation other than Stonewall or any that aligned closely with Stonewall. So those people deliberately spread absurd misrepresentations.

Yes @Helleofabore it is astounding, isn't it? Imagine if a political party said, "We only need one party to represent people's opinions." Or if the RSPCA tried to stop a Donkey sanctuary or the RSPB from existing, to the extent that they took them to court to close them down?

Although I may be part of the problem. I'm a straight woman who donates to the LGB Alliance, because they look like my sort of people and do wonderful work.

Well JKR wasn't the key speaker, you made an assumption to fit your narrative.

But that tells me all I need to know. You're comfortable that a man is ready and able and totally ok to head up any manner of female-specific entities, and to speak on their behalf, but the second a woman who is not gay - and she's white! As well! - dares to speak up in support of gay and lesbian folk, you don't like it.

Very scientific.

Been waiting a long time

"yet it's being reported as trans rights activists, not anti gay hate mongers, I can't really understand why not"

I can help you out there. The "LGB Alliance" agenda is almost entirely related somehow to trans people, like them or not we can all agree it's basically a one topic charity. Therefore it isn't inaccurate to refer to them and their activities as anti-trans.

Why should trans issues be discussed?

The LGB Alliance isn't a charity for trans people. It's a charity for LGB people.

And frankly, when the LGB Alliance does discuss trans issues, trans activists have a shit fit about that too because they're saying the wrong things.

How dare same sex attracted people talk about the fact that they think trans activism and forced teaming with trans people is causing them harm?

They consider that trans activism is homophobic, and the biggest threat to LGB people right now, that's why.

No thats entirely, and I mean ENTIRELY untrue - LGB Alliance is about supporting LGB people - it has nothing at all to do with Trans people, not even slightly. It is not calling for trans peoples rights to be taken away, it is not asking for them to be treated as second class citizens - it is stating, quite clearly that Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual peoples rights - rights to say they are same sex attracted, the right to say gay children ARE being converted out of being gay

This is happening

This is not hyperbole

LGB Alliance is by and for LGB people. It is not anti anyone.

"If I'd gone to a conference about prostate cancer, and the opening speech was by someone who wasn't a scientist, didn't really know anything about prostate cancer, and was only invited because they'd been vocal about the need to reduce research and funding into bowel cancer, then yeah I'd find that a bit odd."

If I went to a conference about any cancer and the opening speech was a billionaire children's author talking about penises I'd be leaving and looking for more suitable conferences to attend in future.

LGB Alliance is by and for LGB people

They're an astroturfed 55 Tufton St lobby group, they represent LGB people in the same way their office mates the Taxpayer's Alliance represent taxpayers.

LGBA conference list of speakers and topics

8.30 DOORS OPEN
Grab a tea or a coffee and browse a fantastic array of stalls.

9.30 WELCOME from our CEO, Kate Barker

9.45 YOUNG LESBIANS FIGHT BACK
Alison Ellis, Jo Bartosch
Alison and Jo discuss the plight of young lesbians, the impact of social media, and consider how lesbian spaces, culture and autonomy can be reclaimed.

10.30 GENERATION GAY
Chair: Dermot Kehoe
Frederick Schminke, Hassan Mamdani, Richard Kirker, Richard Merrin
Men were prosecuted in the 1960s for their homosexuality. Today there is a new threat to men who state their, exclusively, same-sex attraction. Our cross-generational panel ask, will it ever be OK to be gay?

11.20 BREAK

11.50 SOUNDING THE ALARM
Chair: Eileen Gallagher, OBE
Julie Bindel, Cath Leng, Ben Appel, Simon Edge
Our panel discusses courage, conviction and curiosity in the media and explore how the most consequential stories of our era have been covered – or covered up.

12.45 HUNGRY HEARTS
Tonje and Edith of Hungry Hearts perform us into lunch including their Eurovision entry for Norway, Laika.

1.00 LUNCH WITH FRIENDS
Friends’ Groups from right across the UK are travelling to Conference to give you the chance to connect, in person, with your local group. Find your tribe, and your vibe, and make new friends for life.

2.00 OUR KEYNOTE SPEAKER – JAMES DREYFUS
We are thrilled that the talented and much-loved actor, James Dreyfus, will be addressing Conference.

2.15 SEX, LIES AND VICTORIES
Chair: Bev Jackson
Anya Palmer, Michael Foran, Lizzy Pitt, Akua Reindorf
Our panel provide expert analysis of the court cases that shape our movement. They are the people who are making history.

3.15 BREAK

3.45 JAMIE REED IN CONVERSATION WITH KATE HARRIS
Jamie Reed made headlines when, appalled by the medical treatment of minors at a US gender clinic, she decided to blow the whistle on their unethical practices. Hear how her intervention led to law changes that protect children in a number of States.

4.15 GAY QUESTION TIME
Chair: Rhona Hotchkiss
Jan Baxter, Faika El-Nagashi, Charlotte Kenyon, Laurie Burton
Our panel of LGB cross-party politicians, trades’ unionists, councillors and Peers will answer questions from the audience about how we can work more closely with our elected representatives to effect meaningful change.

5.15 WE MEAN BUSINESS
Toby Hopkins
Toby will launch an exciting new LGB Alliance initiative that’s set to tackle the capture of our workplaces and provide better representation and create better working conditions for lesbians, gay men and bisexuals.

5.30 CLOSING, KATE BARKER

5.45 BARS OPEN AND THE PARTY BEGINS!

6.30 GRASS ROOTS ACTIVIST AWARD
We will reveal which activist you voted the unsung hero of 2024.

7.00 THE BIG GAY DISCO

Why would she talk about penises at a conference about cancer?

We're going backwards for lesbians and gay men. I'm old enough to remember when none of us dared walk hand in hand with a same sex partner, when lesbians had their children removed from them for the crime of being involved with another woman, when gay men were routinely queer bashed and homophobia was commonly accepted. Society progressed and lesbians and gay men have been able to live openly and homophobia openly challenged.

Now - homophobes and misogynists feel comfortable in protesting outside every single meeting where lesbians are involved - encouraged by some deeply dangerous and unpleasant men. Even mainstream feminist conferences like FILIA have the misogynists and homophobes issuing threats of sexual violence .
And look what happened at the inaugural meeting of the Lesbian Project - men and some women feeling fully empowered to openly express their lesbophobia / homophobia:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4771088-lesbian-project-meeting-protested-by-men

Even if they only represent a small number of gay people, why should they not be allowed to exist on that basis?

It's basically all they talk about. It's a charity with only a 7% LGB people as membership (as shown in court) who have anti-trans views and want to talk only about topics relating to trans people.

This means the LGBAlliance has literally no benefit for gay and bi people who see no issue with trans people. As time goes on trans people are accepted more and more by the younger generations (it's not a coincidence group photos of the LGBAlliance or the KJK rallies tend to be older people).

As well as being dominantly about trans people, they are becoming more irrelevant as time goes due to trans people being more accepted by every new generation.

They're also against conversion therapy (ironic for a gay rights charity) and helped stall Britain from passing it, leaving us behind the rest of W and Central Europe.