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To think that releasing crickets at a gay rights conference, specifically to shut them down, should be considered a homophobic hate crime? Somehow these people are crowdfunding to do it AGAIN

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Zahariel · 17/10/2024 09:03

The optics of having to fumigate a hall after gay people used it to speak about their rights being eroded should not be lost on anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13950839/Trans-activists-release-bags-insects-LGB-Alliance-conference.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

This is CLERLY A HATE CRIME - yet it's being reported as trans rights activists, not anti gay hate mongers, I can't really understand why not

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

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RedToothBrush · 17/10/2024 15:03

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 14:25

LGB Alliance is by and for LGB people

They're an astroturfed 55 Tufton St lobby group, they represent LGB people in the same way their office mates the Taxpayer's Alliance represent taxpayers.

Oh right. So given some of the founders were heavily involved with the founding of Stonewall, we can right off Stonewall completely too?

Some of the nonsense come out with about the LGB Alliance never fails to amaze me.

The issue is in replacing the definition of sex in law with gender, then anyone who needs sex based rights - such as homosexuals - has a risk to their protections because anyone can come in and claim they are homosexual even if they aren't. This in turn means that saying no to the opposite sex can leave you at risk from harassment and litigation.

A woman saying no to a male who trans identifying has legitimate reason to fear this with the numerous vexation and frankly at times, bonkers and harassing legal cases that have cropped up.

AuldSpookySewers · 17/10/2024 15:09

Curlyboot · 17/10/2024 09:49

Firstly it’s not an attack. It was a protest.

Secondly I support their right to protest. So yes.

GC has no place in LGBT

Trans has no right to be shoehorned with LGB.

The T aspect has fuck all to do with sexuality and everything to do with gender stereotyping bollocks and straightforward misogyny.

I’m straight and will continue to donate to the LGB Alliance as they’re currently a minority group being targeting by a group of mainly violent men and they need our support.

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 15:09

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 15:03

Here's a BBC article about 55 Tufton St instead (although I guess the tinfoil hatters will ignore that too)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63039558

How about if you can get me a quote for a five year small office lease in the building I'll delete my account?

Would you like to address why it is relevant?

Why is it relevant that they sub-lease space at that property that somehow means that you believe they deserve to have their conference disrupted and their speakers and audience silenced?

InvisibleBuffy · 17/10/2024 15:10

It's real conspiracy theory stuff, isn't it?
Do we get to see detailed rebuttals and careful critiques of anything that the LGB Alliance has actually said or done?
Nope. It's all about making tenous links based on their office address and bringing up the same old 7% figure even though it has rebunked repeatedly to the same poster.
This is why people keep comparing this stuff to religious views and cults. It's all about faith and trying to force random facts to fit what they already believe.
But that's why it's dangerous. They don't have an actual argument. The only way they can 'win' is by stopping other people from speaking, hence every attack on women's and gay rights that we're seeing at the moment.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 15:13

Curlyboot · 17/10/2024 09:49

Firstly it’s not an attack. It was a protest.

Secondly I support their right to protest. So yes.

GC has no place in LGBT

Are you....seriously saying that LGB people aren't allowed to be gender critical?

Willyoujustbequiet · 17/10/2024 15:15

DustyAmuseAlien · 17/10/2024 09:46

Of course it's a homophobic hate crime. The entire trans movement is deeply homophobic and requires compulsory bisexuality for all. How can you be only attracted to members of your own sex if it's impossible to define who gets to call themselves a member of your sex and you aren't allowed to disagree.

I totally agree but there was a similar protest in my county at a Let Women speak event last week and it was scary the amount of people on social media locally defending the TRAs because 'they can't help being gay'. A lot of people honestly don't appreciate how homophobic the trans movement is. Its bizarre.

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 15:17

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 15:03

Here's a BBC article about 55 Tufton St instead (although I guess the tinfoil hatters will ignore that too)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63039558

How about if you can get me a quote for a five year small office lease in the building I'll delete my account?

And??

This says nothing about the LGB Alliance’s arrangement there. It is a space that activist groups use because it is close to government they need to speak to.

Had anyone said that activist groups don’t lease space there to deserve to be labelled ‘tin foil hatters’? You seem unable to engage with anything resembling a carefully considered opinion at all.

And who the fuck cares if you delete your account because someone got a lease? Are you saying that your presence on MN is dependant on people believing you that LGB Alliance deserve to be disrupted the way they were?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 15:24

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 15:17

And??

This says nothing about the LGB Alliance’s arrangement there. It is a space that activist groups use because it is close to government they need to speak to.

Had anyone said that activist groups don’t lease space there to deserve to be labelled ‘tin foil hatters’? You seem unable to engage with anything resembling a carefully considered opinion at all.

And who the fuck cares if you delete your account because someone got a lease? Are you saying that your presence on MN is dependant on people believing you that LGB Alliance deserve to be disrupted the way they were?

I can think of a good reason why the LGB Alliance might have a Tufton Street office.

Because it hosts organisations which typically aren't afraid to be unpopular and would laugh in the face of a group of blue haired activists wibbling about transphobia.

If trans activists are willing to write to every conceivable venue in Brighton and ask them not to host Sarah Summers' informal support group for female rape survivors, it doesn't take much imagination to think they'd do the same to anyone leasing premises to the LGB Alliance. Except someone like Richard Smith who won't give a flying fuck.

I imagine the building's security is pretty hot as well.

ArcheryAnnie · 17/10/2024 15:29

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 13:57

Are lesbians disgusting & cruel too?

If the best you can find is from god knows how many decades ago, on another continent, then that speaks volumes.

I'd have disagreed with that action, too, at the time, if I'd known about it. Animal cruelty isn't necessary at any point, however strongly you feel about an issue.

Zahariel · 17/10/2024 15:38

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 14:25

LGB Alliance is by and for LGB people

They're an astroturfed 55 Tufton St lobby group, they represent LGB people in the same way their office mates the Taxpayer's Alliance represent taxpayers.

Why do you hate gay people so much that you have to make up lies about a group defending their rights?

Is it so incredible to think that some people rather like being same sex attracted, and they take objection to someone coming along and saying that are not?

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SidewaysOtter · 17/10/2024 15:38

Why do you hate gay people so much that you have to make up lies about a group defending their rights?

Because lies are all they've got when the truth doesn't suit their argument.

(Edited to remove misquote!)

Zahariel · 17/10/2024 15:40

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/10/2024 14:28

Thank you. Imagine being so deeply homophobic that you'd try to stop this - or argue against it on Mumsnet 😡

Still - when people show us who they really are, we do need to believe them I suppose.

Homophobes are clearly telling us they are homophobes

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Zahariel · 17/10/2024 15:43

Beowulfa · 17/10/2024 14:46

A lot of people really do actively hate the wrong type of gay people (the boring old fashioned same-sex attracted ones), don't they?

It's the "Wong type of guy" thats clear here - the right type of gay is ONE WHO AGERES WITH EVERYTHING THEY SAY - every other type, is a fake gay, a transphobe, or a "far right American"

Not just SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT FUCKING AGREE

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Verv · 17/10/2024 15:48

It was absolutely homophobic, but this is the usual fare for the petulant shitbags who despise the fact that many members of the LGB want nothing to do with them or their "identities".

Gay people have dealt with worse than crickets and carried on, so let the clowns have their moment. The conference continued, the LGB will continue.

Ultimately the adults taking note of the events won't be favouring the actions of the clowns.

ArcheryAnnie · 17/10/2024 15:54

lookingformypage · 17/10/2024 14:29

They're allowed to exist, but presenting them as some sort of 'grassroots' campaign for LGB people is egregious.

They are a hell of a lot more "grassroots" than Stonewall (and I'm an ex-Stonewall volunteer). Most of Stonewall's income is from straight people (as they rely heavily from corporate donations), an income close to £8million a year, and what looks like a direct route from being ex-CEO to the Lords. They have failed lesbians, gay men and bisexuals year after year, which is why, in desperation, the LGB Alliance was set up, so at least we'd have one national charity who put our needs on the agenda.

And the LGB Alliance isn't "allowed to exist" if they aren't allowed to even meet peacefully and legally without being attacked.

ArabellaScott · 17/10/2024 15:55

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 15:13

Are you....seriously saying that LGB people aren't allowed to be gender critical?

It's sort of consistent, at least.

For believers in 'gender identity', there can be no such thing as LG or even B, because these all depend on same-sex attraction.

For believers in 'gender identity', sexual orientation is not a descriptor of sexuality but an expression of adherence to a set of beliefs.

LGBTQIA ideology is all about beliefs, untethered from biological and material reality.

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 16:02

ArcheryAnnie · 17/10/2024 15:54

They are a hell of a lot more "grassroots" than Stonewall (and I'm an ex-Stonewall volunteer). Most of Stonewall's income is from straight people (as they rely heavily from corporate donations), an income close to £8million a year, and what looks like a direct route from being ex-CEO to the Lords. They have failed lesbians, gay men and bisexuals year after year, which is why, in desperation, the LGB Alliance was set up, so at least we'd have one national charity who put our needs on the agenda.

And the LGB Alliance isn't "allowed to exist" if they aren't allowed to even meet peacefully and legally without being attacked.

ahhh.... but ArcheryAnnie, when we point out that if we analyse Stonewall's supporter base for sexual orientation of the donator, those posters never seem to be able to acknowledge this.

Because for some reasons LGB Alliance is to be demonised, while Stonewall is to be celebrated for getting their causes widely supported. The double standards are very inconvenient.

But hey... those who post misinformation about a group they disagree with don't seem to worry about accuracy or even their own credibility. It is just about getting their accusations and digs in with the afterthought being that there is a hope some people might believe them.

SidewaysOtter · 17/10/2024 16:02

For believers in 'gender identity', sexual orientation is not a descriptor of sexuality but an expression of adherence to a set of beliefs.

It's also - according to some - an unacceptable restriction on who they feel they feel should be obliged to have sex with them.

"What do you mean you won't sleep with me? You're a woman who is sexually attracted to women and I call myself a women. HAVE SEX WITH ME OR YOU'RE A BIGOT AND A SEXUAL RACIST*.

*Reference to a quote made by Stonewall's then-CEO that those who declined sex in these circumstances could be considered akin to sexual racists...

ArcheryAnnie · 17/10/2024 16:08

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 15:24

I can think of a good reason why the LGB Alliance might have a Tufton Street office.

Because it hosts organisations which typically aren't afraid to be unpopular and would laugh in the face of a group of blue haired activists wibbling about transphobia.

If trans activists are willing to write to every conceivable venue in Brighton and ask them not to host Sarah Summers' informal support group for female rape survivors, it doesn't take much imagination to think they'd do the same to anyone leasing premises to the LGB Alliance. Except someone like Richard Smith who won't give a flying fuck.

I imagine the building's security is pretty hot as well.

These are all very sensible points.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 16:13

ArabellaScott · 17/10/2024 15:55

It's sort of consistent, at least.

For believers in 'gender identity', there can be no such thing as LG or even B, because these all depend on same-sex attraction.

For believers in 'gender identity', sexual orientation is not a descriptor of sexuality but an expression of adherence to a set of beliefs.

LGBTQIA ideology is all about beliefs, untethered from biological and material reality.

Yeah but most other religions allow non believers to not believe.

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 16:23

Snowypeaks · 17/10/2024 14:31

Suffragettes resorted to acts of terrorism because after centuries of lobbying, campaigning and even pleading, they still did not have the right to vote. They wanted the same rights as men had.
People who claim a special identity already have the same rights as everyone else.

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Just to be clear, I was referring to the language used to describe them, not making an equivalence between their objectives.

suggestionsplease1 · 17/10/2024 16:30

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 14:38

You have been on a thread that you started where you have been shown to be posting this misinformation.

Here, I will post this again for you.

LGB Alliance & the 7% misrepresentation

This is a statement released by LGB Alliance about that 7% statement made in court.

One particularly sticky myth is that only 7% of LGB Alliance supporters are lesbians. Here’s how that started:

We were delighted to be able to support Allison Bailey at her tribunal in the form of a witness statement to help prove that gender critical people are likely to be women and lesbians. As part of that we shared some numbers from our newsletter subscriber list.

We used Mailchimp to send our newsletter and when we set up our account in 2019 we added some subscriber questions which, as it turned out, provided us with ambiguous data.

We asked people whether they were lesbian, whether they were lesbian/gay or if they preferred not to say. The flaws being that we couldn’t tell whether those who ticked lesbian/gay were men or women and that none of the fields were compulsory – so many people skipped them altogether.

The result was that we had 4,502 newsletter subscribers and 316 ticked the box describing themselves as lesbian. That’s 7% of the total. A further 949 ticked the box lesbian/gay and 1,427 were unspecified or preferred not to say. Based on that data that means that between 316 (7%) and 2,376 (53%) of our subscribers were lesbian.

The 7% figure was used in court because it’s important that evidence is based on provable fact and it is a fact that, at a minimum, 7% of our subscribers were lesbians. However, common sense told us that that number was really much higher.

In August 2022 we commissioned a survey of our subscribers to help us plan to deliver services and support to LGB people. One of the questions we asked was about sexual orientation. That data showed that 34% are lesbian, 33% are gay men, 12% are bisexual, 20% are heterosexual and 1% preferred not to say. We are satisfied that this data is robust."

Plus, we have had at least one poster who declared that the 7% mentioned should be given high credibility due to being submitted as evidence and this statement no credence at all, because apparently that poster forgot that the numbers in this statement were also submitted to court as evidence at a later court hearing.

As can be seen here:

https://lgballiance.org.uk/tribunal-transcript/ 

The bit on membership is here:

"Yes, one of our biggest battles is to fight disinformation and on 11 August we sent out a survey, quite a complicated survey, to our 6,000 subscribers. Those are people who subscribe to LGB Alliance newsletters. There were many questions, and we’re still going through the responses, but one of the first questions was to ask people whether they were lesbian, gay, bisexual, straight, trans, etc. These are- We got a 20% response rate, which is unusually high. We were pleased about that, and it more or less shows an 80/20 split which is 80% gay, lesbian, bisexual, 20% straight, so it could be families of LGB people, it could be supporters. So 34% are lesbian, 33% are gay, the rest of bisexual and straight. Just to clarify and to add something else. The two founders are lesbians. The management team has always been made up of lesbian, gay and bisexual and the same with our trustees. So it’s very irritating to constantly be told that we have been led by homophobic, straight, white men, which is quite a common accusation."

Page 56/57 Wednesday 14th September 2022

NOTE AGAIN: the figure of 7% you keep quoting, represented the lesbians who declared their sexual orientation on the survey. It was NEVER just 7% LGB people as you keep trying to misrepresent further.

I know you like to post in ways that bring about negative reactions to your posts for whatever reaction it brings you, but seriously, your claims are not even close to being credible these days if this is your standard.

Edited

Ok, well this is bizarre isn't it. Because in the court transcript I posted the LGB Alliance founder told the court that the 7% figure referred specifically to a finding from a post - conference survey.

So did they have 2 separate surveys that both came out with the figure of 7%?

In your quote the 7% reference is to the entire LGB Alliance newsletter subscriber group who were contacted by MailChimp, that's clearly not the post-conference attendee survey is it, as the figures are too large and they are 2 different populations.

So what's happening here then? Two separate findings of 7%? Seems bizarre if so doesn't it? Fudging over surveys carried out? Seems more likely somehow.

suggestionsplease1 · 17/10/2024 16:33

Mind you if there were 2 separate findings of 7% that does show good replicability and indicates an accurate figure was arrived at.

Helleofabore · 17/10/2024 16:42

suggestionsplease1 · 17/10/2024 16:30

Ok, well this is bizarre isn't it. Because in the court transcript I posted the LGB Alliance founder told the court that the 7% figure referred specifically to a finding from a post - conference survey.

So did they have 2 separate surveys that both came out with the figure of 7%?

In your quote the 7% reference is to the entire LGB Alliance newsletter subscriber group who were contacted by MailChimp, that's clearly not the post-conference attendee survey is it, as the figures are too large and they are 2 different populations.

So what's happening here then? Two separate findings of 7%? Seems bizarre if so doesn't it? Fudging over surveys carried out? Seems more likely somehow.

Gosh.... imagine that.

So, a survey sent out after the conference (making it 'post conference') by email is now not a post-conference survey. Because in YOUR definition it might include people who did not attend? Even though it was sent out 'post conference'?

You know of course, both can be true.

They say they sent out a Mail Chimp survey post-conference. They did not say it was 'only' conference attendees, did they? Please do point out where they declared it was 'only' conference attendee because I might have missed it.

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