New Lucy Letby details

[Mrsdoyler]

Did you see today in the news that LucyLetby originally failed her nursing training.

Reason: Lack of empathy

He can report a nurse. It then has to go through investigation and proper policy and procedures.
They have to follow staff procedures.

That's what he/they were already doing.

But they were being delayed, given the runaround and obstructed by management.

While the unexpected and unexplained collapses and deaths continued happening.

By the time he directly asked the manager to move Letby, they'd just lost two babies who weren't expected to collapse or pass away. He was utterly desperate.

He seemed to think he had the power to get her moved off immediately on his say so

He didn't think that, he was explaining his concerns and the urgency of them to the manager and asking her to move Letby or he couldn't take responsibility for what would happen next ....when she wouldn't.
He asked her in utter frustration and desperation, would she take responsibility if another baby collapsed or died. She said yes.

But she hasn't.

I find your interpretation of his behaviour very very odd.

(And incredibly unfair to him).

It seems pretty clear from her grievance that they did accuse her of murder. No they didn’t need evidence to raise concerns with the child death overview panel but they didn’t.
https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/thirlwall-evidence/INQ0012080_01-02.pdf

He seemed to think he had the power to get her moved off immediately on his say

How was that, given they'd been trying to get her off the unit for months, but been forced to have her back, forced tonwrite an apology letter, threatened with the GMC, forced into conciliatory meetings with her......

How exactly - after months of that - would he have thought he had the power to have her moved immediately??!!

Because as he was told at the time by senior management

"he can't just say that lucy letby was responsible for all the deaths on his say so.
They have to investigate."

He had no concrete evidence at that point, except for her being present at every death..

It would be different if he actually saw her choking a baby. Then she would be removed for gross misconduct.

But he hadn't seen anything at all

His actions are important, because there has been articles statint that consultants were bullying and blaming nurses at that hospital

I saw an article where another nurse on the ward with lucy, said that she thought that lucy was innocent

I'm sorry, I don't understand this post at all.

What's the "because"?

Well that's fine

because there has been articles statint that consultants were bullying and blaming nurses at that hospital

Yet all the evidence is that consultants were bullied, ignored, sidelined, obstructed and threatened when they reported concerns about LL.

LL doesn't appear to be one of those nurses, does she now?

She was sympathised with by her registrar "friend", supported, told confidential information, and backed up by him in her grievance.

She was backed up by management, while the consultants were forced to write apology letters and threatened with the GMC.
She wrote them a letter stridently and triumphantly declaring she would be back on the ward.

Poor bullied nurse.

I saw an article where another nurse on the ward with lucy, said that she thought that lucy was innocent

And I saw one in which a colleague stated that if the alarms went off, they would say "Lucy's on , isn't she?".

Yes that is one side of it.

But I also saw an article where it said that nurses in the hospital believe that Lucy was blamed by consultants to cover up their failings.

BTW I'm not for or against Lucy Letby..

I don't know if she's innocent or guilty.

It's just important to examine all sides of the case.

Yes I saw that one aswell.

So do you think she's guilty @hazelplayer?

But I also saw an article where it said that nurses in the hospital believe that Lucy was blamed by consultants to cover up their failings.

If so, why didn't they come forward as witnesses at trial?

Why won't they put their name to it now?

If it's their jobs, they could sue the NHS if they were sacked for telling the truth in a trial.

I'd have thought that was obvious.

Is there a need to be aggressive though?

Can't we just have a discussion about all the different parts of the case.

Would you like to bring up a point of the case that you would like to talk about?

But, no offence, you don't seem to know all sides of the case.

In fact none of us truly do, only the jury, judges, and legal teams

The next most qualified would be people who have read every transcript from that trial, every single thing.

I could count on one hand the number of posters on here who've done that.

Next would be people who've read around the case relatively extensively, that's still not covering the majority of the posters who choose to post on the case on this forum.

Why would they come forward as witness?

What would they gain? Nothing.

If they stood up for her their lives would be ruined.

Remember one of Lucy Letbys friend's stood up for her on tv( I did think that was a stupid thing to do)

And the friend said , by doing that interview, it badly affected her career. And she got threats

Yes of course none of us will ever know exactly what happened, that's never stopped people discussing true crime before.

Why do you think that was aggressive, it was meant to be wry lol

I do have to say though, I find it frustrating when posters who clearly haven't bothered to acquaint themselves with any reasonable amount of material about this case, espouse opinions and theories
Or who get their material from non credible, CT type sources.

If that frustration comes across as aggression ....

Only on this site I see so much support for her. If it were a Black or Brown nurse, they wouldn’t be threads and threads protesting about their innocence! It is so bizarre a parenting site will overlook so much about this blonde woman with her devilish eyes. The court has convicted her upon hearing evidence upon evidence.

I accept your being wry!

But how do you know how much material we've read. I've read a lot on the case.

What's your thoughts on the case?

If they stood up for her their lives would be ruined

But they could have been anonymous, like her registrar "friend".

And the NHS can't sack people for giving evidence/opinions they sincerely believe to be true.
They would have a case against them.

But how do you know how much material we've read. I've read a lot on the case

Your description of the conversation between the Brearly and Rees, for example.

I would recommend reading this article;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66120934

Yeah I've read that one before thanks.

I'd say that we've all read pretty much the same things on here.