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To be disappointed & offended by this

478 replies

HazelPlayer · 15/10/2024 07:14

Myself and a woman I met while working abroad (in her country( have kept an acquaintance going for 20 plus years now.

She moved to Germany for work a few years ago and has since got into a serious relationship with a German guy and shares his flat. She was mostly single before this relationship.

Both she and I have made the effort over the years to meet up once every few years.

Since she got into the relationship, they. visited my home country once. I could not accommodate them, due to renovations, but acted as their taxi driver for their stay, got them free National.Trust entry to a major attraction, and my h paid for meals out etc.
I think it was also the first time this woman met my dd, who was perhaps 5 at the time. She was very interested in her and affectionate towards her; and my DD reciprocated.

I then visited them with my DD in Germany, DD was 5/6 at the time, we stayed in their spare room. My dd's behaviour was no better or worse, I think, than any 5/6 year old child.
My acquaintance appeared to enjoy spending time with my DD, lots of videoing her. Her partner commented he "didn't know who was enjoying this the most" when they were playing in playparks etc.

My dd found their flat layout confusing/disorienting and when she had a sudden, urgent need to use the toilet - which she didn't tell me about because she was too embarrassed in front of this lady and her partner at the dining table - she couldn't find the toilet fast enough and soiled herself a bit. She then panicked and threw the soiled leggings and knickers into a corner of the spare room, nicely getting a couple of poo marks on the wall/bed frame.
I only discovered this when I wondered what she was doing and went looking for her, my long-term acquaintance was right on my heels so I had no chance to clean it up before she knew/got involved and she immediately had the sanitising wipes etc out. She seemed relatively matter of fact about it.

This happened a few hours before we left, I was extremely embarrassed but we didn't have much chance to talk about it.

After the visit, among various bits of convo, she mentioned that her partner has confirmed that he was glad they didn't have kids and wouldn't be having them. I found this slightly undiplomatic (which she can often be) but thought "ok, to each their own" and "I'd like to see him around an actual badly behaved kid". Also I spent an entire day of a three day stay entertaining myself and DD and navigating the city's transport system to go to a pool complex on my own, and didn't insist on doing a day out that they suggested for my DD because I thought of would be too tiring and demanding for everyone. I also bought food and gifts. So we weren't exactly demanding/crappy guests.

During that visit my acquaintance suggested we visit during the next summer (the summer just past) because it was the best time of kids. I didn't arrange it did various reasons, she was very much awol/unresponsive on communications so I thought I'd perhaps offended her by not visiting again. I therefore suggested that maybe we could visit in December, if that suited them.

She has now said that we could not stay with them because she "promised her partner she would not have kids to stay in the flat again".

This sort of rules out visiting her again in her (now) home base. Due to expense. Or I could shoulder the expense, but it makes me feel resentful about spending loads of money to visit someone who can't tolerate a child - and children grow up and change a lot (!!!) - for a night or two.
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The flights there are not cheap, there's no flight from our local airports so we have to travel over 3 hours to a major one (during that visit we had the expense of airport hotels because of flight times) too. It would be heading for £1000 to Kay for flights and accommodation even without airport hotels ... . and this is to visit someone who takes the above line towards kids.
I could visit on my own sometime but tbh I'd just be thinking "I'm here on my own because you're too intolerant to host a not bad kid for a night or two". And my acquaintance was so interested in my DD that my DD would be wondering why she wasn't invited etc.

I don't think this is just him because she has quite a strong character. I don't think she'd be dictated to.

Aibu to feel a bit sad that a decades long acquaintance has come to this?

OP posts:
SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 11:24

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 15/10/2024 11:20

And I am saying that is an over reaction that the OP may well come to regret. The couple were not rude or unreasonable. The friend actually wants to continue to friendship and they are welcome to visit. They just don’t want shit on their walls. That’s ok. You can get a stick up your arse about the perceived slight and ‘not liking my child’ but really, that’s a you problem and you might end up pretty lonely if that’s how you conduct your friendships.

I’m going to end up lonely if I conduct my friendships in a way where my kids are my world )because they are)?! Haha ok sure. I have loads of really great friendships. They all appreciate my children.

Katiesaidthat · 15/10/2024 11:26

I would distance myself and downgrade to Xmas cards and birthday messages.

Daschund · 15/10/2024 11:29

I have 3 adult DC and if that happened in my home you wouldn't get invited back, sorry.

HollyKnight · 15/10/2024 11:31

I have loads of really great friendships. They all appreciate my children.

I hate to break it to you, but no they don't. They accept that you have children and make accommodations for them to maintain the friendship. It has nothing to do with your children, it's just because they are there. They wouldn't have anything to do with them if you weren't their friend.

Recon · 15/10/2024 11:32

SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 11:24

I’m going to end up lonely if I conduct my friendships in a way where my kids are my world )because they are)?! Haha ok sure. I have loads of really great friendships. They all appreciate my children.

Do you have an identity away from being a mum? Do you work?

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 15/10/2024 11:33

SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 11:24

I’m going to end up lonely if I conduct my friendships in a way where my kids are my world )because they are)?! Haha ok sure. I have loads of really great friendships. They all appreciate my children.

That is not what I said. I said you may end up lonely if you end friendships over a perceived slight.

The couple were polite and kind to the child. They didn’t make a fuss when the incident happened. They have just said ‘this doesn’t work for us this time’. And that’s ok.

You seem a bit of a lost cause tbh.

Glitterblue · 15/10/2024 11:34

I completely understand why you’re so hurt OP. I also don’t see why people are saying your DD threw the leggings and pants at the wall and it’s not normal behaviour- I have a now 14 year old who was very shy and easily embarrassed at that age and I could imagine her doing the same, which was stuffing them in a corner, not throwing them at the wall!

SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 11:35

Recon · 15/10/2024 11:32

Do you have an identity away from being a mum? Do you work?

Yes thanks ✌️ and being a mum is the best identity I’ve ever had.

SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 11:36

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 15/10/2024 11:33

That is not what I said. I said you may end up lonely if you end friendships over a perceived slight.

The couple were polite and kind to the child. They didn’t make a fuss when the incident happened. They have just said ‘this doesn’t work for us this time’. And that’s ok.

You seem a bit of a lost cause tbh.

I’m a lost cause in what way? That’s a bit rude tbh. 🤷‍♀️

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 15/10/2024 11:39

SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 11:36

I’m a lost cause in what way? That’s a bit rude tbh. 🤷‍♀️

As in you seem very entrenched in your view that the world revolves around you and your child. Which yours does, of course. But you might have a bit of a wake up call coming if you believe everyone else’s should!

are you the OP on a name change? If not, fling some shit at your ‘appreciative’ pals walls and furniture and let us know how it goes for you. Do they still appreciate your kids then?

SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 11:41

HollyKnight · 15/10/2024 11:31

I have loads of really great friendships. They all appreciate my children.

I hate to break it to you, but no they don't. They accept that you have children and make accommodations for them to maintain the friendship. It has nothing to do with your children, it's just because they are there. They wouldn't have anything to do with them if you weren't their friend.

You don’t have to hate breaking it to me. I get it. I’m a very realistic and pragmatic person. But all I’m saying is - if a friend got a new partner and that partner had said my children aren’t welcome at their house among other comments about generally not being keen on kids I wouldn’t judge him or think anything bad about him at all. But I’d take it on board and respect his personality enough to keep my family away.

pictoosh · 15/10/2024 11:41

This thread is trash.

Waffle78 · 15/10/2024 11:42

You were in someone else's home. So really should have gone after your DD to see what she was doing. She still might have soiled herself but at least the shitty leggings wouldn't have been thrown in the bedroom.

herecomesautumn · 15/10/2024 11:43

Mumma bear. 🤣🤣🥲🙂🙂

SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 11:44

Waffle78 · 15/10/2024 11:42

You were in someone else's home. So really should have gone after your DD to see what she was doing. She still might have soiled herself but at least the shitty leggings wouldn't have been thrown in the bedroom.

But how does that help? What’s done is done. Can’t go back in time can she. Hindsight eh.

tuvamoodyson · 15/10/2024 11:46

SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 11:06

Do I want to spend my precious time hanging out with someone who actively dislikes my children? The answer is no thank you.

What about ‘not especially fond, but puts a face on?’

SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 11:47

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 15/10/2024 11:39

As in you seem very entrenched in your view that the world revolves around you and your child. Which yours does, of course. But you might have a bit of a wake up call coming if you believe everyone else’s should!

are you the OP on a name change? If not, fling some shit at your ‘appreciative’ pals walls and furniture and let us know how it goes for you. Do they still appreciate your kids then?

Haha what have I said to make you think the world revolves around me and my kids? 🤷‍♀️ And no I am not the op. 😅

Beautiful3 · 15/10/2024 11:47

You could visit without your child? Or pay for a hotel room, or stop visiting. What do you want to do? I wouldn't let them stay with me again, if I couldn't stay at theirs too. So they would have lost that privilege. Do you feel like close friends to warrant the hotel stay or leaving your child behind? I suspect you don't right now, in that case I wouldn't plan to visit again.

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 15/10/2024 11:50

SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 11:47

Haha what have I said to make you think the world revolves around me and my kids? 🤷‍♀️ And no I am not the op. 😅

All your posts.

i am going to leave it here because I value my time and like I said, lost cause. I am amazed you aren’t the OP actually, however I can only imagine you’re so involved in defending the OP because your friends aren’t quite as appreciative as you’d have us believe!

Enjoy your day. Hope no one shits on your wall! ✌🏻

KnightleyAndCocktails · 15/10/2024 11:51
  1. It's perfectly normal to not want other people's children staying with you especially if you don't have any and live in a flat (limited space).
  2. No one has any expectation or right to think a friend will accommodate them for free when they visit their town or country unless they live in a mansion with a guest cottage on the grounds. It's intrusive having people in your own space.
  3. If you want to keep the friendship going, either offer to visit her alone or encourage her to come to visit you or make a plans for a weekend away just you and her in a third place you both want to visit.
  4. Finally, whatever you say about the poo/wall incident, you need to realise that whilst in the scheme of child rearing this is minor, for people who don't have children and haven't evolved through the arc of changing nappies to clearing up accidents, a stranger's* shit on their walls is more upsetting and out of the ordinary than it would be to you. It's an out of the norm incident that to them is unpleasant and probably wouldn't want to risk again. If it's your own bacteria, it's one thing but dealing with other peoples poo is something that isnt' a big deal if you are used to it but is a huge deal if you aren't.
SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 11:54

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 15/10/2024 11:50

All your posts.

i am going to leave it here because I value my time and like I said, lost cause. I am amazed you aren’t the OP actually, however I can only imagine you’re so involved in defending the OP because your friends aren’t quite as appreciative as you’d have us believe!

Enjoy your day. Hope no one shits on your wall! ✌🏻

Ok bye, have fun continuing your day judging and insulting strangers on the internet because it makes you feel better. ✌️ You do you.

Paganpentacle · 15/10/2024 12:02

SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 11:35

Yes thanks ✌️ and being a mum is the best identity I’ve ever had.

I'm sorry to hear that.

And I say that as a mum of two amazing kids.

But you need to have a life that doesn't revolve around them... otherwise WTAF are you going to do as they grow up and start to live their own life?

KimberleyClark · 15/10/2024 12:04

Paganpentacle · 15/10/2024 12:02

I'm sorry to hear that.

And I say that as a mum of two amazing kids.

But you need to have a life that doesn't revolve around them... otherwise WTAF are you going to do as they grow up and start to live their own life?

Become one of those really boring people who have no hobbies or interests of their own and talk about other than their children and grandchildren?

SummerPeach · 15/10/2024 12:05

Paganpentacle · 15/10/2024 12:02

I'm sorry to hear that.

And I say that as a mum of two amazing kids.

But you need to have a life that doesn't revolve around them... otherwise WTAF are you going to do as they grow up and start to live their own life?

You are sorry to hear that I love and appreciate being a mum?! That says more about you than me. I’m good ✌️

Recon · 15/10/2024 12:07

herecomesautumn · 15/10/2024 11:43

Mumma bear. 🤣🤣🥲🙂🙂

Thankfully, I don’t know any mum that talks about themselves like that. It is probably the reason we are friends.😏