Jesus Christ will this never end [Content warning: concerns child abuse]

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Sorry for the daily mail link but Jesus fucking Christ this is beyond awful

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13958665/sara-sharif-burned-tied-bite-marks-murder-trial.html

when will this ever end?

Husband also says that bc Police get constantly criticised of stop and searches and what could be deemed picking on minorities, quite often officers can't go in too heavy (bc they will get questioned/bollocked).
He was telling me a very senior officer got suspended at work recently for saying in his speech in a training session, something like 'we should focus our stop and search on xxx minority' (as statistically they carry most knives).
It's political correctness from top. No one wants to offend minority.

Better to offend than for a child to die. Mayby sensible people from minority groups need to speak out.

It's UK society though. People are worried (men at work of saying anything to women/ about misgendering/ minorities etc).
I lived here for 24 yrs and come from straight speaking country, where if you have problem with neighbour you say it directly.
Here no one will say anything to your face, but you know there is a problem somewhere, but just don't know what it is.
It took me good 15 yrs to lose most of the blunt language, although at times I still forget.
It starts there, that attitude of 'I don't want to cause trouble to anyone'. Not everyone of course, but majority.

MulinoDarco As it stands people like me can't be trusted sadly. It goes with our territory.
We are tagged as potential future abusers ourselves as a result of surviving and seeing through and criticizing services.
Add to it some whistle blowing once getting to a point where our own children are at the ages we were and the reality of how vulnerable they are, and like so many others suddenly found myself far too busy dealing with unexpected s47's and CIN's, myself. (as have several social workers)
My personal knowledge of the systems has allowed me to 'come out on top' eventually, in that this family has had two lots of compensation deals because I took people to court, not for what was done to me, but for what they subsequently did to my family to silence me, but at huge personal cost, gagging orders, and the whiff of suspicion, that surely we must have wrongly won, rather than there has been corruption, both intentional and through PC'ness, (and the repetition of who shouldn't be listened to in training until it's embedded) at high levels.

Peonies007 Is it actually 'I don't want to cause trouble to anyone' or is it really 'I don't want to be judged' 'I don't want to get involved.' 'Confrontation is so awkward in 'polite society.'
'Nice' people gather together and judge silently or join sanctioned organizations that tell them what they should think about it al, and how to protect their organizations reputations first and foremost, especially when they have previously done wrong. Those who break rank are trouble makers, just as those who name the crimes of people of rank or their partners. Much easier to believe in that and evil, than to properly reflect.
It perversely allows the continuation of the status quo it seeks to adress.

You are much more eloquent than I ever will be. Essentially exactly what I was trying to say.
I went down the dark road myself of challenging SEN dept at LA and fought them for 3 years before I gave up. They fight unfairly and include SS as a constant threat to get what they want (which is for your child to stop costing them £££££) and electively home educate. That's where I drew the line as it wasn't worth getting my children taken by state in order to 'win'. Also they ruined every single birthday and Christmas on purpose in order to psychologically break you down. People don't realise that that's why lots of parents EHE. Spotlight should be on LA and how the ghost children like my son was provided with absolutely nothing for 2.5 years and wasn't on any sort of register or checked in bc LA were 'looking' for suitable school.
That's the kids that really get lost in the system.

She was strangled until a bone broke. Weeks before she died.

This gets worse and worse.

I was disturbed,like many of you, when I saw the photo of Sara with the makeup and earrings.
I postulate that her father and step mother were taking her away to marry her off.

Vile.

They said I’m making it harder for them to exercise their legal right to refuse contact etc and it creates home education officers who think they can intrude on everyone then and I’m part of the problem

Problem is that autistic kids don't necessarily like to meet strangers and/or can go mute for example (significant portion of home ed kids).
I don't in principle have a problem meeting LA however from experience lots of them twist the words to suit their narrative.
Most of those officers aren't even trained education or special needs, so I don't know how they can gauge situation on one meeting of half hour.
Plus my son saw a very well thought of educational psychologist who came armed with worksheets, which I specified she doesn't bring. She was meant to be here for an hour- hour and half. 4 hours later she didn't get a single EP test done. If the specialist can't do that with all the background info, what chance do LA officer have?

She looks either like a child bride or a person who had make up applied to cover bruises (have a friend who does that to hide bruises). I can't say what I think/heard bc it might prejudice the case, but it will come out soon.

I honestly don't know if our prison system and punishment can really punish people like this.. It was prolonged, years long targeted attacks on this child. Obviously if proven guilty the dad will go to away for a proper life?
What about the others? Is lite really enough punishment?
I think long term prisoners get used to the it surrounds after a while and it does become home forever turn wifh routines and cooked food etc.

Does that really seem got for the unimaginable amount of pain this poor child had to endure?

Other prisoners will take care of them. They hate child killers/molesters.

Yes and money would be involved. Sick bastards.

RIP Sara

I don't understand the make up stuff, I thought this was taken at home with mum before she lost her :caveat, totally speculative of course.

If they wanted to sell her why would they do this it doesn't make sense.

I wonder how the questioning will go, picking up on being naughty and legally punishing her.

I don't know if anyone else feels like me but I think it's time we had a sea change in law and prison time and came down hard on anyone, including huw Edwards who abuses or is involved in anyway of hurting children?

Having said that, the main policewoman involved in the Rochdale cases was in the paper today saying the perps have been released already and many are using our money to fight extradition.

Well, I can see their point because you sort of are. The problem is that the law should be clearer than it is now. As it is now the LA Ed dept can only make enquiries if they suspect that education ( according to the law) isn't taking place.

It would be nice to think so and perhaps it has been true in the past if the crimes were common knowledge.
Sadly I think its just wishful thinking these days. They separate these types of criminals from the rest, to protect them.

with prison overcrowding etc I think they get moved after a while. Most prisons only have small number of segregated spaces.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/23/prisoners-life-murdering-child-killer

They’ll still get ‘em. Even if it’s them shitting in their food, they’ll be treated like the scum they are.

I don’t agree this will happen although we all hope for it and so much more in order to make ourselves feel better about the justice they are served. Reports about Emma Tustin being force fed salt in prison after she murdered Arthur were apparently untrue for example. Rose West has a cosy life by all accounts. The prison system is based on the principle that inmates are there AS punishment not FOR punishment so the idea of rehabilitation and protection will be upheld even for these vile individuals. It would be comforting to believe they will all live out their days in some of the terror and misery they inflicted on Sara but unfortunately I think it’s just a trope we fall back on to make ourselves feel better.

Oh I don't know. HMP Styal is notorious for prisoners meting out justice - it's where Savannah Brockhill got the boiling sugar water treatment last year.

And in the men's estate, that evil beast Ian Watkins got one hour's torture from fellow lags which nearly killed him - and that was allegedly with the cooperation of a guard.

As per the Ian Watkins case, absolutely nonces and other beast types are meant to be kept separate but a lot of prison guards have shall we say half a foot in the murky criminal underworld too and they can be financially persuaded to 'forget' and leave a particularly notorious con in with gen pop for an hour or so.

Exactly and the prison guards and managers have to be able to prove they've done everything in their power to protect these evil creatures. If they fail in any way then they will lose their job and their career.

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It's amazing they can still get the staff to work in the prisons. Before I had children, in the mid 00s, the government dept I worked in was full of colleagues who had previously worked in the prisons and had jumped ship due to changes which hugely eroded the rights and protection of the staff. Its all about the prisoners rights, the staff have no power at all.

Husband (Police) visited a few times for works and said he would never be Prison Officer.