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Please help me figure out how to fix my kids ' childhood

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DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 11:27

Theoretically, we are very privileged. Both dh and me have good jobs and the kids are relatively healthy. But our biggest issue (at least mine) is that there is just not enough time. Ever. The kids never have enough time to play, do craft, practice dd's instrument or do homework. We barely have enough time to talk and on top of that the kids are sleep deprived because there isn't enough time to sleep. And dd is late to school most days. I blame the long school days in the uk but other parents and kids seem to manage much better so it's obviously something we are doing wrong. I'm desperate. Please help me figure it out. Dd is 8 and in year 4. Ds is 3 and in pre school.

This is our schedule:

7.00 wake dd
7.20 dd slowly gets up (after lots of attempts to get her out of bed. Mostly still no shouting at this point)
7.20-8.00: dd gets ready (go to the toilet, get dressed, brush teeth and hair, pack school stuff, eat breakfast if there is time otherwise pack breakfast and eat in the car). More and more shouting and stress at this point for the kids to hurry up.
8.00 we have to leave at 8 to be at the school by 8.30. Most of the time we don't manage and are 5-10 minutes late. Most of the time we have forgotten something.

Ds gets up quite easily at 7 but needs help wothe very step of grtting ready. So he gets ready very quickly but then often delays everything by starting to play and refusing to leave the house.

8.30-3.30: school
4.00-4:15: back at home.
4.15-6.15 free time (but dd loses a lot of time by very slowly washing her hands and removing her shoes, etc). This is the time when theoretically she could do.any school related work or practice her instrument. Ds can just play.
6 -7.15 or 7.30: dinner. I know it's long but dd is severely underweight. No medical issues. Possibly arfid. She eats extremely slowly but we cannot cut down on this time and risk less calories going into her.
7.15 or 7.30 - 7.45: dance or play (so they don't go to bed feeling too full)
7.45 -8 or 8.15: get ready for bed (This is when I start getting stressed again)

8.30 - 8.45 lights out after reading for a while
Dd takes very long to fall asleep. Often an hour or so. It's not hecause she isn't tired. It's irrespective of when she goes to hed and she struggles so incredibly much waking up in the morning that she imo she needs more sleep. Ds is out like a light sometime between 8.15 and 8.30 whenever we manage to put him to bed. He is just turned 3, has just dropped his nap but we don't manage to put him to bed before that. He refuses to go upstairs without dd.

Once a week dd has a club at school followed by swimming so she only comes home by about 7pm and then everything is even more delayed. Once s week I need her to.atrend a club or after school club so I can finish work.

On Saturdays we have a slow start. Dd has an extra curricular activity at 11am but somehow we are also always late for this club. The biggest bottlenecks are getting ready and breakfast. She hates both. She is adamant that she wants to do this club. We try and keep Saturday afternoons and Sundays free for family outings, meet8ng friends, birthday parties, going to the park or play dates. Somehow they pass in a jiffy too. Sometimes her homework takes a couple of hours (or more).

Our biggest bottlenecks are getting ready and eating but I just don't know how to get dd to speeden up. I'm not sure she can. She is very absent minded and dreamy. And she is so tired in the morning, which slows her down too.

She loves doing craft but we have got a million craft projects lying around that she has started but doesn't get time to finish because she never gets a decent few hours or fald a day in one stretch to work on just one thing. There are the weekends but I also think it's important that she plays outdoors and with other kids so half a day goes at least in going to the park or on a playdate.

She loves reading but she reads so much that slowly I think it's doing more harm than good because of all the other things she is missing out on. She also loves talking which slows her down but then we need to have time to talk don't we? She often wants to talk to me at bedtime but we are usually so late already! I get some time to play with ds after school but at all times when dd is at home she talks non stop so there is very little opportunity to talk enough to ds. I thought his language skills were. underdeveloped for his age because of that but according to the health visitor his speech and comprehension are quite good. Still. I feel so bad for not talking to him enough m

Anyway, dd is also meant to do 20min of school work every day (app game based) but there is just no time. We just don't do it. She used to do very well academically but is noe starting to lag behind. She is learning an instrument but rarely practices.

Apologies for the length of this but I just don't know what to do. 1-2h of free time a day are just not enough to fit in anything of quality but I just don't know what to do. I wish she went to a different school that was closer to us and had a shorter day (and no homework) but that's a whole other thread. For now we are stuck with the school.

What am I doing wrong? What could i do betterI ?

I can feel my blood pressure rise every morning and evening when I need the kids to get ready either for school or for bed and I'm exhausted by the time it's done. I always used to be a calm and patient parent but now I'm starting to become more shouty and I hate it. It seems like there is no time for cheerfulness or playfulness let alone any proper playing. This isn't how childhood is supposed to be. Kids are meant to have loads of time. Enough time to get bored. My kids don't even have enough time to sleep. Please help me. What am I doing wrong?

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ComtesseDeSpair · 11/10/2024 11:31

I’d focus on trying to get to the bottom of DD’s issues around food and why she’s taking so long to of simple tasks like wash hands and take off shoes: you’re losing several hours in the day to these things, so any approach at making more time for yourselves has to start there. Has she been referred anywhere by her GP?

I wouldn’t sweat too much about DS at this stage: he’s three, his routine and allocation of time sounds perfectly fine.

Edit: with mealtimes, would DD be more likely to eat if rather than stay at the dinner table for over an hour she could graze from a Tupperware at leisure whilst playing / reading / crafting?

Freemanhardyandwillis · 11/10/2024 11:32

I would drop the instrument if she doesn't want to practise. Why is she so tired? Is she actually sleeping? Maybe try a later bedtime.

TeenToTwenties · 11/10/2024 11:32

Drop the instrument.
Do schoolwork straight away when get home in parallel with a snack.

MuggleMe · 11/10/2024 11:34

My DDs do 10-20 mins of homework after they have a snack when they get home from school. Then it's TV/playing. They read before school which doesn't sound doable for you.

Could you bring dinner forward by 30 mins so bedtime can be earlier? Then wake DD 20 mins earlier so it's less of a rush? And I think a playdate once or twice a month is fine to allow more time for craft etc.

bergamotorange · 11/10/2024 11:34

Firstly, we don't have a long school day. It's not the shortest, but not the longest either.

Life's about priorities. It sounds like lowering stress would be good for your family.

I'd leave earlier for school. Are you driving, walking, cycling?

Ditch the instrument, you haven't got time and it's not important.

Make more healthy snack food so she can eat round meals.

I'm not sure your mealtimes sound helpful, what's going on for all that time? I understand the calorie issue but that may want review.

MusicLife80 · 11/10/2024 11:35

I’m no armchair medic here OP, but your daughter may have neuro divergences, maybe ADHD, maybe autism… I think go to a GP.

MusicLife80 · 11/10/2024 11:36

Do dinner earlier too. Having 2 hours of free time is probably a luxury but also they’re tired and hungry.

Trebolle · 11/10/2024 11:38

Eat dinner earlier. Dancing before bed will get them fired up. That's pretty bonkers.

Toddlerteaplease · 11/10/2024 11:38

Do dinner at 5-530. I'd be starving if I had to wait until that late for dinner.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/10/2024 11:39

What does she eat for breakfast? A smoothie with avocado or peanut butter in it might be an easy way of getting extra calories into her.

What does she eat most easily?

Dishwashersaurous · 11/10/2024 11:39

We have very short school days.

You have hours and hours of time to do things.

You need to understand why your child is taking so long to normal tasks, taking off shoes and washing hands is a 2 minute task. Ten minutes for snack. Then 20 minutes homework and still an hour and a half for play.

Stop the instrument. If she doesn't want to practice then no point.

And you need to address whether she's got a medical issue meaning it's taking her 20 minutes to get up.

And the food point. Again need to work out how to make this more efficient

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/10/2024 11:39

Toddlerteaplease · 11/10/2024 11:38

Do dinner at 5-530. I'd be starving if I had to wait until that late for dinner.

You'd be starving if you had to wait until 6pm for dinner?

Dishwashersaurous · 11/10/2024 11:40

And why on earth are you trying to do a playdate every single week? Really no need for that

Toddlerteaplease · 11/10/2024 11:43

@MissScarletInTheBallroom if I'd only had a small school dinner at 12pm then yes!

Catza · 11/10/2024 11:44

She loves reading but she reads so much that slowly I think it's doing more harm than good because of all the other things she is missing out on.
She is not missing out on anything. She does something she loves and may not be interested in any of the things you think she is "missing out on".
I think you need to stop stressing that there isn't enough time and start thinking about what the time is spent on.
If she struggles to get ready in the morning, then think about what prep needs to happen to make the process smoother. Laying out clothes the night before, setting timers for activities etc. If she is taking too long to eat, can some of the food be replaced with "liquid calories" she can have on a go? What is being done about her eating issues from the medical perspective?
Why is she taking an hour to wash her hands and take shoes off? Where is the task breaking down? If she is distracted, remove the distractions.

Jacqjacqgeau · 11/10/2024 11:45

Like others have said it’s the dinner time. Eat dinner at 5.45 and free yourself from the later chaos

LoveWine123 · 11/10/2024 11:45

Do you drive the kids to school? Could they do homework, reading, etc. in the car? Maximise on the commute to school if you can. I also agree with others that your daughter seems to be taking ages to do simple tasks (and you can even see a difference with your younger child re:eating and falling asleep). I would be wanting some advice on that. Someone has already pointed out that ND might be at play, but even if not, you need to find out why she is having those issues. Also, you can stop the dancing before bed and use that time for bedtime stories, independent reading and getting them ready for bed so you start the routine earlier. They have already had 2 hours of free play, use that dancing time for something else.

Horatiostrumpet · 11/10/2024 11:45

You've got loads of time, you just need to use it better.

Have dinner earlier - you only have one night with a different schedule but there no reason they couldn't eat at 5.30 most evenings if they're hungry, get her to bed earlier if she can't get up in the morning, pack the bags the night before so it's ready to go and you've got everything, homework gets done straight after school or first thing of a weekend, use a timer to help her understand what time she has to do her tasks and have play time.

Northe · 11/10/2024 11:47

Just to say....we are the same! With my slow, non-enthusiastic eater I normally give a snack after school before any club or free time, keep dinner small (still so slow) and don't offer a pudding usually but give something like toast and milk before bed. I actually think he is quite good at mode4ating his intake but my expectation of portion size is skewed.

Winter2020 · 11/10/2024 11:47

I think the way that you feel about your schedule is a bigger issue than the schedule itself.

I expected to read from your title that you work long hours and use breakfast and after school club so have little family time.

Your kids are home around 4 and you have all the time until bedtime. What is it that needs to be done? 20mins homework/ 10 mins instrument practice? That's 30 minutes total. Maybe arrive home, 30 mins to use the loo/grab a snack then get those jobs done first.

Why not have tea earlier at say 5:00 or 5:30 if you would like bedtime to be earlier. If you cook for a partner that is not home then you would have to save a dinner. That takes you to 6:00-6:30 and then a little bit of time to play before bath/bed. It sounds like if you would like your daughter asleep for 9 she needs lights out at 8.

With dinner taking your daughter so long do you put her put a suitable size meal and she can leave the table if she eats it?

The idea that your daughter would have 3/4 hours for craft on a school day is unrealistic but she might on a quiet weekend day.

BellesAndGraces · 11/10/2024 11:48

MusicLife80 · 11/10/2024 11:35

I’m no armchair medic here OP, but your daughter may have neuro divergences, maybe ADHD, maybe autism… I think go to a GP.

This.

Afriendwithbreastsandalltherest · 11/10/2024 11:48

I would be seeking specialist support for your DD via the school nurse.

SallySilly · 11/10/2024 11:49

My advice would be:

  1. Address issues surrounding food for your daughter.
  1. Earlier bedtimes so they wake easier in the morning. Your bedtimes seem late for the ages of your children.
  1. You need to be more organised. If you are often forgetting things etc. I get up much earlier than my children to prepare for the day so I can then spend time helping them get ready as I hasve already showered, dressed, made lunchboxes, prepared breakfast.
  1. Drop the instrument.
DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 11:50

ComtesseDeSpair · 11/10/2024 11:31

I’d focus on trying to get to the bottom of DD’s issues around food and why she’s taking so long to of simple tasks like wash hands and take off shoes: you’re losing several hours in the day to these things, so any approach at making more time for yourselves has to start there. Has she been referred anywhere by her GP?

I wouldn’t sweat too much about DS at this stage: he’s three, his routine and allocation of time sounds perfectly fine.

Edit: with mealtimes, would DD be more likely to eat if rather than stay at the dinner table for over an hour she could graze from a Tupperware at leisure whilst playing / reading / crafting?

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No referral from the gp. I'm planning to speak to the school as for the past few years they have flagged at every chat thst dd is very bright but needs to learn to pick up the pace especially when writing.

I am diagnosed with adhd (which doesnt help with the general chaos and mess making) and i wonder if she has it too. I don't think her symptoms are severe enough for a diagnosis though it might be sensible to get the ball rolling. However, I don't want the thread to be about that. Right now I'm looking for advice on behavioural strategies and on changing our lifestyle / environment to free up more time.

About a year ago we started letting her watch videos during dinner because we were so desperate for her to eat. It makes mealtimes less unpleasant and she is less resistant but it also prolongs the whole meal and she still needs a lot of of prodding and nagging and reminding to eat. I'm trying to stop the videos now as it's affecting ds (he needs to be fed because otherwise he won't eat while watching videos and he's getting too used to it now). Sometimes we let her have a book but then again it's the same pr9blem as with the videos. It takes too long. Without videos or a book she refuses now to come to the dinner table. If there are no videos or books she talks non stop and forgets to eat. It's all such a mess. Maybe I'll tell her no videos or books but she can get some toys to the table.

We've tried grazing while playing and she just forgets to eat. She is never hungry. She could go for days without feeling hunger.

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MumonabikeE5 · 11/10/2024 11:50

7am is a good wake up time. Your eldest probably needs to have 10-11 hours sleep (my child of this age does need this, and wakes up after this if left) your youngest probably needs 11-12 hours.

so if 7 am is wake up time then bedtime is 7pm asleep by 7.30 for youngest and 7.30 asleep by 8am for eldest .

dinner for both kids might be better much earlier- 5pm? My kids also do well if they get proper dinner directly after school (4pm) then an evening snack just before bed.

maybe your daughter is too tired to eat well at 6.15-7.30
have you tried to give her her best quality nourishment earlier?

at the weekends my kids eat later, but during the week they eat earlier than my husband and I, they eat more and better when they do that.

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