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Please help me figure out how to fix my kids ' childhood

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DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 11:27

Theoretically, we are very privileged. Both dh and me have good jobs and the kids are relatively healthy. But our biggest issue (at least mine) is that there is just not enough time. Ever. The kids never have enough time to play, do craft, practice dd's instrument or do homework. We barely have enough time to talk and on top of that the kids are sleep deprived because there isn't enough time to sleep. And dd is late to school most days. I blame the long school days in the uk but other parents and kids seem to manage much better so it's obviously something we are doing wrong. I'm desperate. Please help me figure it out. Dd is 8 and in year 4. Ds is 3 and in pre school.

This is our schedule:

7.00 wake dd
7.20 dd slowly gets up (after lots of attempts to get her out of bed. Mostly still no shouting at this point)
7.20-8.00: dd gets ready (go to the toilet, get dressed, brush teeth and hair, pack school stuff, eat breakfast if there is time otherwise pack breakfast and eat in the car). More and more shouting and stress at this point for the kids to hurry up.
8.00 we have to leave at 8 to be at the school by 8.30. Most of the time we don't manage and are 5-10 minutes late. Most of the time we have forgotten something.

Ds gets up quite easily at 7 but needs help wothe very step of grtting ready. So he gets ready very quickly but then often delays everything by starting to play and refusing to leave the house.

8.30-3.30: school
4.00-4:15: back at home.
4.15-6.15 free time (but dd loses a lot of time by very slowly washing her hands and removing her shoes, etc). This is the time when theoretically she could do.any school related work or practice her instrument. Ds can just play.
6 -7.15 or 7.30: dinner. I know it's long but dd is severely underweight. No medical issues. Possibly arfid. She eats extremely slowly but we cannot cut down on this time and risk less calories going into her.
7.15 or 7.30 - 7.45: dance or play (so they don't go to bed feeling too full)
7.45 -8 or 8.15: get ready for bed (This is when I start getting stressed again)

8.30 - 8.45 lights out after reading for a while
Dd takes very long to fall asleep. Often an hour or so. It's not hecause she isn't tired. It's irrespective of when she goes to hed and she struggles so incredibly much waking up in the morning that she imo she needs more sleep. Ds is out like a light sometime between 8.15 and 8.30 whenever we manage to put him to bed. He is just turned 3, has just dropped his nap but we don't manage to put him to bed before that. He refuses to go upstairs without dd.

Once a week dd has a club at school followed by swimming so she only comes home by about 7pm and then everything is even more delayed. Once s week I need her to.atrend a club or after school club so I can finish work.

On Saturdays we have a slow start. Dd has an extra curricular activity at 11am but somehow we are also always late for this club. The biggest bottlenecks are getting ready and breakfast. She hates both. She is adamant that she wants to do this club. We try and keep Saturday afternoons and Sundays free for family outings, meet8ng friends, birthday parties, going to the park or play dates. Somehow they pass in a jiffy too. Sometimes her homework takes a couple of hours (or more).

Our biggest bottlenecks are getting ready and eating but I just don't know how to get dd to speeden up. I'm not sure she can. She is very absent minded and dreamy. And she is so tired in the morning, which slows her down too.

She loves doing craft but we have got a million craft projects lying around that she has started but doesn't get time to finish because she never gets a decent few hours or fald a day in one stretch to work on just one thing. There are the weekends but I also think it's important that she plays outdoors and with other kids so half a day goes at least in going to the park or on a playdate.

She loves reading but she reads so much that slowly I think it's doing more harm than good because of all the other things she is missing out on. She also loves talking which slows her down but then we need to have time to talk don't we? She often wants to talk to me at bedtime but we are usually so late already! I get some time to play with ds after school but at all times when dd is at home she talks non stop so there is very little opportunity to talk enough to ds. I thought his language skills were. underdeveloped for his age because of that but according to the health visitor his speech and comprehension are quite good. Still. I feel so bad for not talking to him enough m

Anyway, dd is also meant to do 20min of school work every day (app game based) but there is just no time. We just don't do it. She used to do very well academically but is noe starting to lag behind. She is learning an instrument but rarely practices.

Apologies for the length of this but I just don't know what to do. 1-2h of free time a day are just not enough to fit in anything of quality but I just don't know what to do. I wish she went to a different school that was closer to us and had a shorter day (and no homework) but that's a whole other thread. For now we are stuck with the school.

What am I doing wrong? What could i do betterI ?

I can feel my blood pressure rise every morning and evening when I need the kids to get ready either for school or for bed and I'm exhausted by the time it's done. I always used to be a calm and patient parent but now I'm starting to become more shouty and I hate it. It seems like there is no time for cheerfulness or playfulness let alone any proper playing. This isn't how childhood is supposed to be. Kids are meant to have loads of time. Enough time to get bored. My kids don't even have enough time to sleep. Please help me. What am I doing wrong?

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DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 11:53

Freemanhardyandwillis · 11/10/2024 11:32

I would drop the instrument if she doesn't want to practise. Why is she so tired? Is she actually sleeping? Maybe try a later bedtime.

Het bedtime is already not very early and she is very hard to wake up in the morning and obviously very tired. If at all I think she needs an earlier bedtime. She wants to play the instrument but she doesn't want to practice. I also feel bad about forcing her to drop it because realistically she doesn't have time to practice and that's not her fault. Practicing would come at the cost of playing and she has so little time to play anyway... I did tell hwr that we would have to atop the instrument if she can't practice at least twice a week...

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BellesAndGraces · 11/10/2024 11:54

You may not want the thread to be about you or ADHD but surely that lies at the heart of your issues with your timetable and also your DD’s inability to move quickly and in a focussed way.

bergamotorange · 11/10/2024 11:54

I am diagnosed with adhd (which doesnt help with the general chaos and mess making) and i wonder if she has it too. I don't think her symptoms are severe enough for a diagnosis though it might be sensible to get the ball rolling. However, I don't want the thread to be about that. Right now I'm looking for advice on behavioural strategies and on changing our lifestyle / environment to free up more time.

I think this is completely back to front. You are witnessing some extreme behaviours and not seeking answers.

Afriendwithbreastsandalltherest · 11/10/2024 11:55

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 11:53

Het bedtime is already not very early and she is very hard to wake up in the morning and obviously very tired. If at all I think she needs an earlier bedtime. She wants to play the instrument but she doesn't want to practice. I also feel bad about forcing her to drop it because realistically she doesn't have time to practice and that's not her fault. Practicing would come at the cost of playing and she has so little time to play anyway... I did tell hwr that we would have to atop the instrument if she can't practice at least twice a week...

Conversely the harder they are to put to bed when tired the earlier they need to go to bed. Get the routine started at about 7/730 so she is lights out by 815.

bergamotorange · 11/10/2024 11:56

BellesAndGraces · 11/10/2024 11:54

You may not want the thread to be about you or ADHD but surely that lies at the heart of your issues with your timetable and also your DD’s inability to move quickly and in a focussed way.

Exactly this.

cardibach · 11/10/2024 11:56

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 11:53

Het bedtime is already not very early and she is very hard to wake up in the morning and obviously very tired. If at all I think she needs an earlier bedtime. She wants to play the instrument but she doesn't want to practice. I also feel bad about forcing her to drop it because realistically she doesn't have time to practice and that's not her fault. Practicing would come at the cost of playing and she has so little time to play anyway... I did tell hwr that we would have to atop the instrument if she can't practice at least twice a week...

She has 2 hours on 4 of the school days and a day and a half at the weekend which aren’t scheduled. Of course she has time to practise, and to do craft. Your schedule doesn’t sound crowded or busy particularly, but you are struggling with DD taking ages to do things. You need to factor that in a bit more and/or find ways to make things easier and quicker for her.

Afriendwithbreastsandalltherest · 11/10/2024 11:58

Fix your routine and your habits then that will influence hers. Be a screens off and up the table for meal times family, be a screens and books away an hour before bedtime family. There are lots of resources out there with advice on parenting with ADHD and parenting children with ADHD, consistency helps.

LoveWine123 · 11/10/2024 11:59

I know you said that you don’t want the thread to turn into advice re: ND concerns, but after reading all the details I think that’s the root cause if your problem. Between the hours of 4pm and 9pm you have 5 hours of the kids at home and all of that time is essentially used as free time (including the time they are eating dinner as they are essentially watching videos). What else do you need more free time for? At the end of the day, it might also be helpful to drop all the “shoulds” (should be playing, should be crafting, should be doing things outside, should be playing an instrument, etc).

NeedthatFridayfeeling · 11/10/2024 11:59

I'd ditch the instrument for now, too much hassle. My daughter is also 8 and in Y4.
School stuff - i get my daughters ready the night before, bag coat and shoes by the front door with everything she needs, if doing pack up i have her lunch bag on the worktop with any cupboard items already in so all i do in the morning is make the sandwich and veg sticks.
Weekends - sound very full on? We maybe do 1 or 2 playdates a month, park as and when she feels like it. I figure she's with friends all week, school send them outside unless it's chucking it down so there is no harm in staying in chilling at the weekend unless we do a day out/meet friends.
We have dinner ready for 6:15 ish, then chill watching TV until bed, that is wind down time. Bed 7:45
I'd try earlier bedtime, maybe go up at 7:30 to allow time for a chat/reading together?
She needs to work on the time from getting home to dinner, that's a big chunk lost, we get in around 5:15 and have plenty of time, shoes off on the door mat then put in the shoe cupboard, bag and coat to utility room hook, she'll then go wash hands then do homework then play/watch tv/draw until dinner.
Food no suggestions unfortunately as mine eats anything and everything.

Winter2020 · 11/10/2024 12:00

I'm responding to this part of the post:
"she doesn't have time to practice and that's not her fault. Practicing would come at the cost of playing and she has so little time to play anyway."

She gets in at 4, lights out at 8:45 and other than 20 minutes homework all she does is things she enjoys - play/craft/ videos or books/toys with dinner/ dance or play and reading in bed which she enjoys.

Suitable instrument practice at this age would only be 10 minutes. Just agree a time for practice with your daughter and set a timer for 10 minutes. If she won't do 10 minutes practice a day refuse to pay for lessons as you are wasting your money.

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 12:00

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/10/2024 11:39

What does she eat for breakfast? A smoothie with avocado or peanut butter in it might be an easy way of getting extra calories into her.

What does she eat most easily?

She hates smoothies. We have tried. The easiest for breakfast is a sandwich as she can have that in the car. We used to give her pediasure shakes but it turns out that she is dairy intolerant (which might be how her food issues started in the first place). She was only diagnosed this year with it but she could have had symptoms for years that made eating unpleasant and uncomfortable and now she just dislikes it.

There is no food that she likes but there are some things that she hates less than others, e.g. rice and pasta. Fish fingers. Sausages. My fil is staying with us at the moment and has got it in his head that he needs to cook for the kids. He means well and is actually a very good cook but the kids don't like it but this is another complication where I need to find a diplomatic situation.

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Whereareyourshoes · 11/10/2024 12:00

It sounds really stressful for everyone. What can you do yourself to remain calm in the morning no matter what is happening? Are you ready yourself early or are you also rushing to fit things in before leaving? Kids can all be challenging leaving the house. I find I have to focus on my breath when getting them out the door!

Can the school stuff be packed the night before? All clothes laid out ready for morning? A favourite song played at certain time in morning to get them moving and dancing as they get ready. I would find that a late dinner for the kids after a school day. Could you move that forward and then wind down with a few minutes of yoga with the kids and some audiobooks for them?

TeenToTwenties · 11/10/2024 12:02

Pack school stuff the night before.
Checklist by the door and go though it before you leave.
Minimise transitions in the morning.
Eg.
Out of bed, dress
Then to bathroom toilet, wash, teeth
Then downstairs, breakfast
Then hair shoes coat out door

Do not do
Out of bed,
Wash
Back to bedroom to dress
Downstairs for breakfast
Back upstairs to brush teeth
Back to bedroom to do hair
Downstairs again etc

If necessary do dressing and teeth downstairs so you can keep an eye.

You need a personal mindset change. There is plenty of time, it us how it is being used that us the issue.

JFDIYOLO · 11/10/2024 12:03

As there is already ADHD in your family it's highly likely it's passed down to her.

Time to get insistent with GP and school and get this investigated, so you can access any available support.

ARFID is interesting and frustrating - if you're on Insta, may I recommend the Instagram accounts toren.wolf and myarfidlife, two young people documenting their lives with ARFID and other things.

Look at what the children do and see what they can let go. What's truly essential in their day and their week and what's a nice to have? Get the essentials sorted before the nice. They don't have to have every minute filled with activity.

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 12:04

Regarding dinner earlier: Yes, I think we need to try it. I wasn't so keen because ds gets a substantial snack at his preschool at 4pm so just isn't hungry till later but maybe that can't be helped.

I don't think she can do schoolwork ad soon as she comes home as she's just too tired and maybe a bit wound up. She needs some time to unwind. Possibly if she has dinner first as soon as we get home and then does school work it might work.

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DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 12:05

Dishwashersaurous · 11/10/2024 11:40

And why on earth are you trying to do a playdate every single week? Really no need for that

She doesn't have a playdate every single week..maybe once a month though I'd like to do more as she struggles a bit socially.

A playdate is one of the things we do on the weekend.

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mimblewimble · 11/10/2024 12:06

Hi OP,

I think it's worth both looking at things to help with this and pursuing an assessment for your DD.

My house is kind of like this too. I have two teens, both ND. What helps them is getting up earlier before school (sorry!) and then lowering demands on them as much as possible. But also trying to change my expectations of what they 'should" be doing. (You could look up about low demand parenting for ND kids, and potentially about demand avoidance.)

For example, does she actually have to practise her instrument at all? Or is the experience of one lesson per week enough in itself? Could you talk to her instrument teacher and ask for their lessons to just be for your DD to experience playing, with no further pressure?

I think your own ADHD diagnosis is relevant too, and perhaps finding things that help you to feel calm and connected would make the situation feel better, even if nothing changed?

bergamotorange · 11/10/2024 12:06

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 12:00

She hates smoothies. We have tried. The easiest for breakfast is a sandwich as she can have that in the car. We used to give her pediasure shakes but it turns out that she is dairy intolerant (which might be how her food issues started in the first place). She was only diagnosed this year with it but she could have had symptoms for years that made eating unpleasant and uncomfortable and now she just dislikes it.

There is no food that she likes but there are some things that she hates less than others, e.g. rice and pasta. Fish fingers. Sausages. My fil is staying with us at the moment and has got it in his head that he needs to cook for the kids. He means well and is actually a very good cook but the kids don't like it but this is another complication where I need to find a diplomatic situation.

You don't need to be diplomatic. You need to be direct.

Grandad, they like the food they like. You can cook that or not cook at all, but please stop trying to cook other things, it's adding to the stress.

If he won't listen, that's a him issue.

ChefsKisser · 11/10/2024 12:07

The schedule sounds very typical for a family, you have more time than we do and I don't feel overwhelmed or rushed or anything. 2 hours to wash hands and take shoes off seems very excessive and as if there must be something underlying for both you and her.

Afriendwithbreastsandalltherest · 11/10/2024 12:07

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 12:04

Regarding dinner earlier: Yes, I think we need to try it. I wasn't so keen because ds gets a substantial snack at his preschool at 4pm so just isn't hungry till later but maybe that can't be helped.

I don't think she can do schoolwork ad soon as she comes home as she's just too tired and maybe a bit wound up. She needs some time to unwind. Possibly if she has dinner first as soon as we get home and then does school work it might work.

Stop his substantial snack. A biscuit in the car and dinner at 5pm will meet their needs.

bergamotorange · 11/10/2024 12:08

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 12:05

She doesn't have a playdate every single week..maybe once a month though I'd like to do more as she struggles a bit socially.

A playdate is one of the things we do on the weekend.

It feels like you're making her do things she doesn't want to do and getting in the way of her doing things she does want to do.

Forced playdates won't help her socially.

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 12:08

Dishwashersaurous · 11/10/2024 11:39

We have very short school days.

You have hours and hours of time to do things.

You need to understand why your child is taking so long to normal tasks, taking off shoes and washing hands is a 2 minute task. Ten minutes for snack. Then 20 minutes homework and still an hour and a half for play.

Stop the instrument. If she doesn't want to practice then no point.

And you need to address whether she's got a medical issue meaning it's taking her 20 minutes to get up.

And the food point. Again need to work out how to make this more efficient

Very short school days? Compared to what?? My school was from 8am to 1pm till year 10 ahd we only started at age 6/7. I know it wouldn't be feasible now because I work full time but when you have rhe whole afternoon there is plenty of time to play, do craft, learn an instrument, meet friends and do school work. I don't agree with the British system at all of forcing kids to do academics at so early an age and for so long every day but that's a whole other thread.

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Singleandproud · 11/10/2024 12:09

The night before:
Bags packed and by the door.
Uniform and your clothes laid out
Lunches made and in the fridge
Breakfast prepped for the morning so table set plates / bowls, cereals etc basically anything that doesn't need to be in the fridge.

In the morning
06:30 You get up, washed and dressed play some relaxing music quietly in the hall way to stir the others.
07:00 Children get up, washed, toileted and dressed in your room if Primary aged so you can help both - everyone downstairs. Play music, race against the clock make it fun
07:30 Breakfast, dressing gowns over clothes. Tooth brushes in he kitchen, shoes on
07:50 Out the door, drive to school. Arrive early skip school run traffic, do reading practise in the car or have a cereal bar / juice box from the car .

Afterschool,
Dinner 16:30 - 17:00
17:30 - 18:00 Play: play at the kitchen table while DD picks at whatever is left of her dinner her dinner, card games / guess who / battleships / connect four. Kitchen disco whilst you clear up.
18:00-19:00 Free time, adults have time together.
20:00 Children washed and in bed, possibly a supper of toast / crackers / apple and peanut butter, quiet activity of reading or audio book
20:30 - 21:30 depending on age lights out

EllieQ · 11/10/2024 12:10

I thought you were going to say you were picking up from afterschool club at 6 and rushing home for dinner!

You should have plenty of time, so I think part of the problem is the way you are managing and thinking about it. I do have sympathy with you as I also feel that time always slips away from me.

A few thoughts:

Mornings: The usual suggestion is to prepare everything the night before - packed lunches made, bags packed, all clothing (right down to underwear) put out. How much do you supervise your DD in the mornings? My DD (now 9) was also very slow in the mornings at that age), and one of us would have to stand in the room with her and prompt her with every piece of clothing. Frustrating but got the job done! If time for breakfast is an issue, can DD have something in the car?

Afternoon: If you are home at 4.15 and don’t have dinner until 6, why not allocate that time to homework and music practice, with playtime only after it’s done. That would get it done every day.

Dinner: We also eat around 6.30-7 so that doesn’t seem too late to me. Other people have mentioned possible neurodiversity that could be related to the arfid (also the slowness at physical things - a sign of dyspraxia).

Post-dinner dancing: Kindly, WTF? They should be winding down before bedtime, not getting worked up! You mention ‘not sleeping on a full stomach’ which sounds like an old-fashioned thing my gran would have said.

Bedtime: We also have a slow bedtime process and often DD is in bed late (9.20 last night when it should be 8.30). If your DD is so tired and takes so long to fall asleep, I’d suggest bringing her bedtime forward.

Saturday morning class: We also have an early weekend class and I basically treat it as a school morning - up, breakfast, get ready.

Weekends in general: I often plan out the weekend over Friday night dinner so everyone knows what they should be doing. Eg: Do homework Sat AM, free time Sat PM, swimming Sun AM, see friends Sun PM. Sounds boring but I lose time otherwise.

Namechangeforadhd · 11/10/2024 12:10

I know you don't want the thread to be about ADHD or other ND but.... (!)
I wonder if there needs to be more scaffolding. I realise that will be hard if you have ADHD but there's very little else, practically speaking, that you can do if you want life to be less stressful.
I was always being patronised and told off for helping DD get dressed and things like that when she was 'old enough to do it herself'. But it was that, or spend all day getting nothing done. And obviously it doesn't last forever, it's just while the ND brain develops at its own pace.
Do her shoes for her, wash her hands with her, keep reminding her to take the next mouthful etc. I can assure you she won't turn round at 18 unable to do these things!
Cut down on play dates. She may turn round in a few years and tell you that she didn't want that many and just wanted more time to decompress (I speak from experience!)
Don't worry abt music practice. If she gets some done, great. If she doesn't, does it really matter? If it's the teacher saying it has to be done, explain that it can't be or find a new teacher who's willing to accept the limitations.
All this is a huge amount of effort but on balance can be less stressful than the effort of dealing with constant stress and lateness.