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AIBU?

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To think Christmas at PILs is unsustainable?

159 replies

Jimot · 08/10/2024 09:50

There is a backstory here in that PILs moved to a two up two down cottage/terrace in a semi rural area in the COVID no stamp duty era. They previously lived in a bigger house much closer to us and liked to have people over. They are now an hour away. We tried to gently broach how their lifestyle was going to work with the house when they were planning the move but they didn't want to hear it. Since then we had DS and PILs have been resentful that we don't have them do regular childcare, and don't accept really that the logistics wouldn't work, I think they just believe I'm favouring my parents and being awkward. We see them roughly once a fortnight on average although they would say we don't bother seeing them enough.

The house is small. So is our house, so it's not about being snobby over it, but they seem to still want to host like they used to.
Recently MIL complained that she would offer to host an extended family get together but no one ever wants to drive out to see them, and DH said in the car in the way back how he wondered where they were planning on putting everyone if they did host. PIL like to have DH and I and DS plus SIL and her DH over at the same time. There aren't enough seats in the living room for the adults so someone needs to sit on the floor. DS already tends to end up banging his head on furniture when playing as there is very limited floor space. If we eat at the table in the kitchen folding chairs are needed and we all need to shuffle around with our backs against the wall. We tend to spend a weekend with them including an overnight to do Christmas together. This is already changing as when a baby DS would sleep in a double with us to stay over but now he just won't sleep in bed with us and there is no room to put a camp bed down.
Now SIL is expecting next year and I've found out I am too!
We were talking about Christmas and I said next year maybe we had better book a pub with a soft play to be able to accommodate us all, or maybe even go away somewhere after Xmas. MIL was absolutely spitting feathers, absolutely indignant that we would be having family Christmas at their house and began speaking about the extra furniture they're going to purchase. I didn't really say much else although I was thinking that this was really no solution. Maybe we will be able to bring folding highchairs next year and keep babies on laps but even so, soon enough there just literally won't be room to fit in 6 adults and 3 children. They already don't have a Christmas tree as there is no room for one.

So was I unreasonable in my assertion about pub or going away? I do feel a little guilty as I do realise they want all their family together but to me it doesn't matter what the location is. I already find it a bit uncomfortable at their house but I'm dreading next year as feel like we are going to be literally squished in thigh to thigh and I won't be able to relax trying to manage the kids not being trodden on.

I'm happy to be hit with it though if I'm just totally selfish! AIBU?

OP posts:
WinterFollies · 08/10/2024 10:48

SBHon · 08/10/2024 10:09

Squeezing all in for Christmas is part of the fun I think.

Yep, this! Haven't you read Christmas in Exeter Street?

Mrsttcno1 · 08/10/2024 10:49

I agree with others that to be honest at Christmas once you have toy-playing age kids, it’s just so much easier and less stressful to stay in your house and let people come to see you if they want to. OR find a pub to all meet for lunch as a middle ground!

UnderstandablyDisappointed · 08/10/2024 10:51

SBHon · 08/10/2024 10:09

Squeezing all in for Christmas is part of the fun I think.

Rhodri Marsden's Duvet know it's Christmas comes to mind…

However, we never had a full Christmas at home as a child. It was always completely miserable, full of rows and walking long distances to go somewhere for dinner and then shortly after start walking to next place for a tea none of us wanted. (No public transport then and we didn't have a car. We were in an area where taxis didn't run.)

WitchyBits · 08/10/2024 10:51

I recently moved from my massive 5 bed house into a 2 up 2 down with a stamp sized lean to kitchen. I did it knowing that my daughter was moving into my 5 bedroom house to give my grandkids a room each and she would be hosting all of the giant festive events that I have been in charge of for the last 25 years. That was 100% welcome by me as I've hosted 32 Christmases and catered the total cost..... then she announced that she's pregnant due on Xmas Eve and I've been informed it's now on me to go back to my old home , where I no longer live or have any of my own kitchen stuff, to cook Xmas dinner for 9 adults and 4 kids. And honestly they can not seem to understand why I don't want to. I moved out expressly so that I wasn't hosting anymore. I couldn't cope with a house that size and cooking for so many people on Christmas day, then doing a huge Boxing Day party not to mention that my sister and I do have been cooking take away roast dinners from home for disabled/pensioners/singles/low income locals for the last 5 years and that's 40-60 meals in Xmas Eve. It's all too much. I would be fuming in your shoes too op.

People are just so bloody entitled these days.

WestwardHo1 · 08/10/2024 10:52

Putting your foot down now (as long as your DP is supportive) will make it easier in the long run. Let her spit feathers.

So many mothers and MILs love the idea of their clan gathering round them at Christmas, and completely ignore practicalities and everyone else's feelings and wishes.

cheddercherry · 08/10/2024 10:55

I’d probably start to have conversations with your husband about what kind of Christmas’ is best for your family. Some families very much enjoy and thrive off the “camping” style everyone on the floor chaos (and I’ve had similar Christmas’ I remember being a kid) and it’s all great fun …. Doesn’t sound like that’s the vibe at your in-laws! Now my family does what you suggested and we meet up somewhere and make a day of it! Point is, every kid remembers Christmas - yours sounds like they’ll have memories of very frazzled, grumpy grown ups on top of each other with the set up proposed and that’s not much fun!

You’re not unreasonable, they shifted the goalposts when they downsized and this is just a logical consequence. Travelling with tiny kids was always going to be harder and they should have known this. Ultimately it’s down to your husband and his sister to deal with their parents, and they can stomp and tantrum all they like but it still doesn’t mean you have to endure years of awful Christmas Days for your kids.

hydriotaphia · 08/10/2024 10:58

I do think it is a bit harsh to say you are not going to go over to their house as it is too small to be honest. My parents live in a small flat and we make do. Also, suggesting a pub is one thing, telling them that their house is too small and it will have to be a pub is quite another. I think it could have been handled better.

Bbq1 · 08/10/2024 11:04

Yanbu. If neither you or dh want to gi, don't and invite pils to your house on Boxing Day.
I thought "spitting feathers" meant very thirsty, not really angry?

Bbq1 · 08/10/2024 11:05

Bbq1 · 08/10/2024 11:04

Yanbu. If neither you or dh want to gi, don't and invite pils to your house on Boxing Day.
I thought "spitting feathers" meant very thirsty, not really angry?

Just checked, has both meanings!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 08/10/2024 11:06

WitchyBits · 08/10/2024 10:51

I recently moved from my massive 5 bed house into a 2 up 2 down with a stamp sized lean to kitchen. I did it knowing that my daughter was moving into my 5 bedroom house to give my grandkids a room each and she would be hosting all of the giant festive events that I have been in charge of for the last 25 years. That was 100% welcome by me as I've hosted 32 Christmases and catered the total cost..... then she announced that she's pregnant due on Xmas Eve and I've been informed it's now on me to go back to my old home , where I no longer live or have any of my own kitchen stuff, to cook Xmas dinner for 9 adults and 4 kids. And honestly they can not seem to understand why I don't want to. I moved out expressly so that I wasn't hosting anymore. I couldn't cope with a house that size and cooking for so many people on Christmas day, then doing a huge Boxing Day party not to mention that my sister and I do have been cooking take away roast dinners from home for disabled/pensioners/singles/low income locals for the last 5 years and that's 40-60 meals in Xmas Eve. It's all too much. I would be fuming in your shoes too op.

People are just so bloody entitled these days.

I would be saying a firm no to this!

Why can’t your son in law cook? (Or DIL if same sex marriage). Or some of the other seven adults?

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 08/10/2024 11:09

OP- you’re just going to have to be straight with your ILs and say no. This doesn’t work for us now we have DC.

Invite them to yours if you want to. Or just press ahead with the pub idea for those who want to go.

People have to realise that life moves on and things change!

Those saying squashing in is part of the fun - no! Only if you’re a massive extrovert and love constant company. Many people find it hell. Some people don’t enjoy anything without a proper sleep too.

lochmaree · 08/10/2024 11:10

WitchyBits · 08/10/2024 10:51

I recently moved from my massive 5 bed house into a 2 up 2 down with a stamp sized lean to kitchen. I did it knowing that my daughter was moving into my 5 bedroom house to give my grandkids a room each and she would be hosting all of the giant festive events that I have been in charge of for the last 25 years. That was 100% welcome by me as I've hosted 32 Christmases and catered the total cost..... then she announced that she's pregnant due on Xmas Eve and I've been informed it's now on me to go back to my old home , where I no longer live or have any of my own kitchen stuff, to cook Xmas dinner for 9 adults and 4 kids. And honestly they can not seem to understand why I don't want to. I moved out expressly so that I wasn't hosting anymore. I couldn't cope with a house that size and cooking for so many people on Christmas day, then doing a huge Boxing Day party not to mention that my sister and I do have been cooking take away roast dinners from home for disabled/pensioners/singles/low income locals for the last 5 years and that's 40-60 meals in Xmas Eve. It's all too much. I would be fuming in your shoes too op.

People are just so bloody entitled these days.

Yeah this is really not fair! Even with the baby, I wouldn't expect you to cook!

It's the other way round with us, I am the DIL and we are supposed to be going in-laws for Christmas, we've got two small children and she's asked me to cook 😱 ALL meals for our stay, not just Christmas meal. And I said they should just come to us and we'd love to host and it was a firm definite NO. Outrageous!

Mamasperspective · 08/10/2024 11:12

"MIL your home is too small to accommodate us as a family and we do not wish to do a 2 hour round trip in winter with LO and with me being pregnant. From now on we need to do what is best for our immediate family. For the sake of this year, we're happy to book accommodation elsewhere and have a mini holiday somewhere with you but I think it's important for you to manage your expectations with regards to holidays where our little family is concerned because things are different now to how they were before"

Marblesbackagain · 08/10/2024 11:13

Slothfully · 08/10/2024 10:23

I think you could suck it up for a weekend once a year just to keep MIL happy (DC need to learn how to avoid hitting their heads on furniture! And to sleep where they're told).

But no way would someone dictate to me how to spend Xmas so YANBU - stick to your guns!

That's nice blame the children for not having adequate space to wobble as they do.

And I don't know if you have met a child but some of them have autonomy and very particular sleeping needs.

And unless the hosts are happy to do all nighter with the kids oh and the knock on week of interrupted sleeping whilst you know they work full time and be in sensible state to drive ? Id say YABVVVu

EdgarAllenRaven · 08/10/2024 11:14

I agree that you can pop round for the lunch! Then drive home. No need to stay at all.

An hour is really not that far away, we used to do 90mins trips to see in-laws regularly every weekend (until we moved closer!)

TunnocksOrDeath · 08/10/2024 11:15

They're only an hour away. It takes me longer than that to get to work!
I'd drive over for the day and come home in the evening.
Just make sure one of you knows they're the designated driver, and stays completely sober.

Flossflower · 08/10/2024 11:16

Your MIL has probably had Christmas at her home for years. It is time for you to have yours. I really would advise against a pub lunch at Christmas for very young children. There are many courses. Each one takes an age to come.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 08/10/2024 11:18

lochmaree · 08/10/2024 11:10

Yeah this is really not fair! Even with the baby, I wouldn't expect you to cook!

It's the other way round with us, I am the DIL and we are supposed to be going in-laws for Christmas, we've got two small children and she's asked me to cook 😱 ALL meals for our stay, not just Christmas meal. And I said they should just come to us and we'd love to host and it was a firm definite NO. Outrageous!

What? Even if they didn’t want to cook, why not your husband - he’s their son!

But I don’t think anyone can have it both ways unless very exceptional circumstances - you either cook or travel, not both. And they don’t get to ship in a servant for the day!

PassingStranger · 08/10/2024 11:18

Another reason to drop Christmas. See it every year the pressure the problems the brainwashing.
It's hardly enjoyable when you have to worry like this.
Just forget bloody Christmas.
All stay in your own homes. Just a other day.

Floralnomad · 08/10/2024 11:20

At a push I’d go for lunch on Boxing Day and drive home afterwards .

lochmaree · 08/10/2024 11:22

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 08/10/2024 11:18

What? Even if they didn’t want to cook, why not your husband - he’s their son!

But I don’t think anyone can have it both ways unless very exceptional circumstances - you either cook or travel, not both. And they don’t get to ship in a servant for the day!

She asked me in private, so I'm thinking she's stirring 💩, it's a habit of hers and not the first time it's happened. So even more putting us off us going, but we'll miss seeing SILs and nephews.

Agreed it's ridiculous, height of cheekiness. Esp as we offered to host! Would rather cook (in my own home) than travel 😱

Icanttakethisanymore · 08/10/2024 11:24

DO they have money to hire a bigger house in a nice location for a family break over christmas? Then MIL can still play host if she wants but you can all get a seat at the table.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 08/10/2024 11:24

lochmaree · 08/10/2024 11:22

She asked me in private, so I'm thinking she's stirring 💩, it's a habit of hers and not the first time it's happened. So even more putting us off us going, but we'll miss seeing SILs and nephews.

Agreed it's ridiculous, height of cheekiness. Esp as we offered to host! Would rather cook (in my own home) than travel 😱

Can you get your husband to have a conversation with her about this and how inappropriate it is?

Shame you won’t see SIL and nephews - unless some sort of plan can be reached in which cooking is shared by all? With your DH making it very clear it won’t be switched to all you once you get there.

Tel12 · 08/10/2024 11:31

WitchyBits · 08/10/2024 10:51

I recently moved from my massive 5 bed house into a 2 up 2 down with a stamp sized lean to kitchen. I did it knowing that my daughter was moving into my 5 bedroom house to give my grandkids a room each and she would be hosting all of the giant festive events that I have been in charge of for the last 25 years. That was 100% welcome by me as I've hosted 32 Christmases and catered the total cost..... then she announced that she's pregnant due on Xmas Eve and I've been informed it's now on me to go back to my old home , where I no longer live or have any of my own kitchen stuff, to cook Xmas dinner for 9 adults and 4 kids. And honestly they can not seem to understand why I don't want to. I moved out expressly so that I wasn't hosting anymore. I couldn't cope with a house that size and cooking for so many people on Christmas day, then doing a huge Boxing Day party not to mention that my sister and I do have been cooking take away roast dinners from home for disabled/pensioners/singles/low income locals for the last 5 years and that's 40-60 meals in Xmas Eve. It's all too much. I would be fuming in your shoes too op.

People are just so bloody entitled these days.

Don't do it! It's ridiculous to expect you to carry on. Explain that someone else will have to manage and you'll bring the crackers. First year my DS hosted he said that he didn't realise that it was such hard work as I made it look easy. Never did it again.

jolota · 08/10/2024 11:32

Your husband needs to be the one to have the frank conversation about logistics and maybe feign a back injury that means he can't sit on the floor and that you & SIL will be pregnant so can't sit on the floor etc
Tell him to ask exactly where the high chairs for the kids will fit etc.
Where exactly in the bedroom you can fit a cot for the child.
Don't let them fob you all off with 'it'll be fine, we'll squeeze' etc