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Kids not wanting to attend SILs wedding after argument

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comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 11:19

My sister in law is getting married in 3 weeks. My daughter is a bridesmaid and my son is an usher. However we’ve all just had a huge row and now my children don’t particularly want to go either. Looking for advice.

Both my kids are in private school. Daughter year 10, son year 11. SIL very much disapproves of our choice. She also has a child in year 11. Over a family Sunday lunch we were discussing plans for post GCSE education. We’re not pulling the kids out of school during GCSEs but the fee increase is too much long term. The plan therefore is for them to complete their GCSEs in their current school and hopefully then get a place at the excellent local state school for 6th form. The local school is C of E which is why we couldn’t get in for senior school (I have some thoughts about that, but that’s another thread!) However for 6th form current pupils just have to achieve high GCSEs and new pupils very high GCSEs. They make offers to new pupils based on school predicted grades and the number of applicants etc. Last year for example to get in for A level maths you needed to be predicted a min 7 as well as scoring highly in an exam the school set.

I thought SIL would be happy, but she lost her mind. It was triggered by a comment my son made- he said he was looking forward to going because it would be nice to go somewhere bigger, meet new people and because most of his friends from his current school were also applying. His current school is selective and high achieving. Son is predicted 7-9 in almost everything and most of his friends are the same. We’re talking a year group of 150 kids with at least 50+% now applying to the local school (previously I’d say 10-20% went after GCSEs). This will obviously massively increase the competition for the places they can offer to people who aren’t already pupils.

SIL went off. It’s not fair apparently that her son and his friends may not be offered a place because of competition from kids who had the benefit of private education. She genuinely said that there should be a sort of tier system - like university contextual offers. The thing is, that other than the great C of E school the other school options aren’t good at all (hence us going private.) Son asked SIL if she was saying that because he’d been privately educated she thought he should go somewhere not great for A levels, and she said yes! Apparently he’ll do fine anywhere. Son said he didn’t want to do “fine”- he was aiming for better, and some of the other local schools don’t even offer things like further maths or A levels other than the basics.

DH (her brother) pointed out that the levelling up of state schools she thinks will happen when private schools lose pupils would take some time and there were bound to be issues initially, especially when lots more kids look to go to state schools for A levels in a few years. He’s been pissed off with her for years and pointed out that this is what she wanted. My son and daughter are very upset that their aunt seemingly doesn’t care that much about them.

I’m more sympathetic. Nephew has struggled in the school he’s currently in (also not able to get into C of E school) with low level bullying. He’s had 3 maths teachers in 18 months and his science teachers have been dreadful. The drama teacher is currently filling in in GCSE English lit for unknown reasons and it’s not going well. It’s all been a bit shit and I know they are hugely keen for him to go somewhere different for A level. However his predicted grades aren’t brilliant and he was always borderline as to whether he’d get in based on last years offers- the additional competition may well mess things up for him. SIL has been really upset about his school for a long time which is one of the reasons she’s been so cross about us going private. Apparently the local schools would have been better if the private school and the Cof E didn’t cream off the better pupils. She’s not wrong (don’t want this to be a thread about educational policy though) However my son and daughter are I think rightfully annoyed that she’d be happy to send them there!

It all got very fraught until my MIL nearly burst into tears and people calmed down. However the children are now saying they don’t want to be in her wedding. This is my problem- do I tell them to suck it up (outfits bought, far to late in the day to drop out, not doing it would cause possibly unrecoverable family strife, they love their cousin and my SIL when she’s not upset and speaking without thinking) or do I let them chose not to? They’re young and cross and I’m know they haven’t thought through the long term ramifications.

DH says we should leave them tonight but he’s not exactly impartial. I actually like SIL (despite being often and vocally judged) and think that everyone will end up regretting not going. I also think she’s a worried mother who is seeing the possibility of her child not getting a place somewhere he really wants to go. I’d be upset -and I am upset for nephew.
What do I do?

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snoopsy · 07/10/2024 13:45

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DownThePubWithStevieNicks · 07/10/2024 13:45

AgainandagainandagainSS · 07/10/2024 11:36

Also teach your kids to say ‘opinions are like bumholes SIL, they’re important to have but best kept covered up’

Great idea, tell kids who are already sheltered from the harsher realities of life their cousin is dealing with that they should be rude and disrespectful to an older family member.

comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 13:45

Lots of responses here- on a phone so it's hard to respond individually. This wasn't meant to be a thread about why we sent our kids privately and SIL didn't. However...

When DH and SIL went it was 20% of their dad's disposable income (MIL didn't work). Sending our kids is nearly 45% of ours with both of us working full time. It's a massive financial commitment. SIL is a lone parent and the fees are beyond her. She's also much more left wing than DH (ironically we've bonded as the only two labour voters in the family. And yes. I get that I'm a hypocrite.).

I do think that when she saw how shitty his school was she might have done what I did and held her nose and sent him if she could afford it.

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AlleycatMarie · 07/10/2024 13:45

I would say your sil should blame the government for the school fees and therefore more private schools kids needing places at state schools. It’s not your fault or your children’s!

comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 13:46

I take on board the message that I've spent insufficient time talking to my kids about privilege and the different experiences they have compared to their cousin. That's my mistake. I was trying not to create a divide that I now realise has always been there.

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OhAThreebe · 07/10/2024 13:46

I agree with the approach and conclusions of most posters here.

Namely:

  1. Emotional on both sides;
  2. Definitely still do the wedding;
  3. Add education to the proscribed list of dinner table topics!

I have some sympathy for your SIL but do feel that she should take more responsibility for this as she is the adult, and that she can apparently "dish it out" to a 15 year old but can't take it. HOWEVER, when you said further down the thread that SIL herself is privately educated and you are not, my sympathy did dry up somewhat! She certainly has a brass neck on her, doesn't she?!

Please go easy on the emotive logic with your children. It's important that they are grateful for their opportunities (which, to their credit, it sounds like they are making the most of) but it wouldn't be fair of you to pile on a burden of guilt for their advantages, particularly when they are your choice. Children are advantaged and disadvantaged in all sorts of ways through accident of birth (stable home life, two loving parents, good health, freedom to roam in safety outdoors, a neighbour who can teach them an instrument etc. etc. etc.) Family would do well to keep their eyes on their own work and play the hand they're dealt.

snoopsy · 07/10/2024 13:48

comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 13:45

Lots of responses here- on a phone so it's hard to respond individually. This wasn't meant to be a thread about why we sent our kids privately and SIL didn't. However...

When DH and SIL went it was 20% of their dad's disposable income (MIL didn't work). Sending our kids is nearly 45% of ours with both of us working full time. It's a massive financial commitment. SIL is a lone parent and the fees are beyond her. She's also much more left wing than DH (ironically we've bonded as the only two labour voters in the family. And yes. I get that I'm a hypocrite.).

I do think that when she saw how shitty his school was she might have done what I did and held her nose and sent him if she could afford it.

OP - there's nothing that says you must vote Tory if your kids are in private school! I voted for Labour knowing it would be a struggle for me to pay for my eldest. But I voted for labour for other reasons: for the NHS, for my brother who has mental health issues, for my friends who can't afford to buy a home.
I am really cross with Labour at how badly they have planned all of this. January is too soon because the civil service are SO slow to get the admin part going. The whole thing has made me worry about the NHS. If Labour can't implement an important tax change properly and to the timescale they set, how on earth are they going to fix the NHS?

comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 13:49

They will be in the wedding. I've realised that reading the thread. I need to do better and have harder conversations.

@MaterCogitaVera made a fantastic post that I'll be utilising heavily.

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AuldSpookySewers · 07/10/2024 13:49

Of course your kids should still go to the wedding. You need to step in and be the voice of reason here.

I’d leave them all to cool off until say next weekend and then sit the kids down and explain how privileged they have been compared to DNephew. Point out that SIL is really worried about her son (with good reason) and doesn’t really want your kids to suffer for their privilege, otherwise she’d acknowledge her own privilege here. She just wants to even up the playing field for sixth form entry like any other state school parent wishes and she knows it won’t ever happen and that’s the sad reality. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Northernparent68 · 07/10/2024 13:49

Scottishskifun · 07/10/2024 13:22

I would still make them go and suck it up.

I would also speak to SIL about getting your Nephew a tutor. Is there anyway you and DH can split the cost or MIL to help him through this year?

if the sil can afford a wedding I’m sure she can afford to hire a tutor

MikeRafone · 07/10/2024 13:49

everyone can have a difference of opinion

but you are a family and need to put those differences to one side and agree to disagree

other members of the family shouldn't be punished by those having different opinbions

MIL was obviously distraught and many other family would suffer if your dc don't attend

they need to think about that

PuddlesPityParty · 07/10/2024 13:49

MrsSunshine2b · 07/10/2024 13:10

There have been several PPs who have outright said the OP's son does not deserve a place at the good 6th form. It wasn't me that reduced the argument to that. Yes, OP's kids have had privilege, lots of children have all kinds of privileges, for example, many children do not have physical and neurological disabilities as I do, but I don't suggest that they are less deserving of things they have worked hard for.

You said SHE said it - as in the SIL - which is not what her argument was. If that’s not what you meant, going to a private school clearly did not help you write clearly. You did reduce it to that. The SIL did not say her nephew didn’t deserve it.

Caerulea · 07/10/2024 13:50

Love your updates. Good luck, OP

Remember it's not all on you, DH is responsible too :)

CasaBianca · 07/10/2024 13:51

Northerngirl1969 · 07/10/2024 13:13

I am guessing your SIL was in favour of VAT on private schools but now doesn’t like the consequences.

We are going to see more and more people who were very happy for private school parents to pay more but not as happy when they realise that
instead of paying more they are now choosing to pay nothing at all + cost the taxpayer for public education + take a place at a local school.
Suddenly the catchments will become smaller.
And they will complain that it is not fair!

Tiswa · 07/10/2024 13:51

comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 13:46

I take on board the message that I've spent insufficient time talking to my kids about privilege and the different experiences they have compared to their cousin. That's my mistake. I was trying not to create a divide that I now realise has always been there.

I think it doing so you have created even more of a divide - are they not aware either of the sacrifice to send them to private school either and what it actually means

I also think you need to prepare them for going into State now - the views he heard from your SIL are not unique and will be there - and yes 16 is definitely an age where politics and beliefs will come in Scotland 16 years olds can vote in local and Scottish Parliament elections and it was part of Labours manifesto. He will come up against peers who very much are aware of this

savannahowl · 07/10/2024 13:53

comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 13:12

@Caerulea
". I do wonder if your own guilt has stopped you making them fully acknowledge the situation. Did both you & DH do private school yourselves?"

I do feel guilty. I went to a shitty comprehensive in the 1980s and genuinely bear the scars. (Got stabbed with a box cutter in the girls loo once!) DH (and SIL!) both privately educated.
There was no way I wasn't going to give my kids the best opportunity I could. Their school experience is so unlike mine as to be unreal. Feel massively guilty though. I voted Labour knowing this would happen. I didn't think about the short term implications though.

It's so annoying that you feel guilty for this.

I went to a shit comp, my children now go to a lovely private school in the north of England. Nothing flash, just a great, great school. I feel absolutely zero guilt about making this decision.

Stand by what you believe in!

(Also, wtf is sil moaning about - she was privately educated!)

Allfur · 07/10/2024 13:53

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Chips on shoulders is such a lazy argument

Allfur · 07/10/2024 13:54

savannahowl · 07/10/2024 13:53

It's so annoying that you feel guilty for this.

I went to a shit comp, my children now go to a lovely private school in the north of England. Nothing flash, just a great, great school. I feel absolutely zero guilt about making this decision.

Stand by what you believe in!

(Also, wtf is sil moaning about - she was privately educated!)

She didn't choose to be privately educated i would imagine

MrSeptember · 07/10/2024 13:54

comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 13:46

I take on board the message that I've spent insufficient time talking to my kids about privilege and the different experiences they have compared to their cousin. That's my mistake. I was trying not to create a divide that I now realise has always been there.

I think we probably have an element of this in our house. We're SIL in your scenario, with DC at state, and my sister has children at private. We've had this conversation with our children over many years (every time we visit their mansion, for example! Grin) , but I suspect it didn't occur to my sister until quite recently. I think it IS finally happening as there have been notably less casually obnoxious comments from my lovely DNs in the last year or so! Grin

BellesAndGraces · 07/10/2024 13:55

Allfur · 07/10/2024 13:33

How is it hugely unfair the ops kids have to leave private school? it was ops decision to send them there

Let me guess, you simultaneously think it’s hugely unfair that the nephew’s chances of getting a place at the good state 6th Form are now much lower because he is competing with previously privately educated kids …

Differentstarts · 07/10/2024 13:55

Northernparent68 · 07/10/2024 13:08

It’s not the kids who lack empathy

It really is

Bumblebeestiltskin · 07/10/2024 13:56

comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 11:36

She's actually nice. Just wedding stressed and worried about her child. I understand. Dh who has the emotional intelligence of glue will also eventually understand when he's calmer (he loves nephew a lot which will help) It's just teenagers are a bit reactive and really don't think things through so I feel like I should insist but it also feels off to force someone into a bridesmaid dress and down the aisle!

And yours are a combination of reactive teenagers and opinionated private school kids 😂

user86345625434 · 07/10/2024 13:57

Allfur · 07/10/2024 13:34

Different values?

Different incomes more likely.
The SIL would have likely preferred her son to go private too, if the state options are not great…

Mummyoflittledragon · 07/10/2024 13:57

DaniW1234 · 07/10/2024 13:31

Christ! So not only do the kids have their wishes and autonomy over-ridden and disrespected, SIL's behaviour is rewarded by someone else paying for her nephew to get a tutor.

This is how bad behaviour like the SIL's is rewarded and flourishes in society. I cannot believe your post! Lets all suck up to the nasty unreasonable one, and go one further! Lets pay for his son! No wonder society is full of nasty people and CFers when the good people are admonished and made to suffer and pay, and the bad people rewarded. What sort of lesson is your post teaching others. All the wrong lessons. Your post is an example of what not to do.

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Actually I agree with op/ her dh offering to pay for private tuition for whatever subjects he’s struggling in maths, English, science and / or the subjects her dn wants to study. I am looking it on a long term perspective and keeping the cousins as a team.

I went to a truly dire school and the teaching just wasn’t there so I totally understand how it feels to underachieve. Op your dn not going to the school and you sitting back and watching it unfold could have lifelong implications. I’m looking at this from the long term. And I don’t see it as rewarding your SIL as this is about a child, who’s going to be lost in the system if no one helps him to achieve a bit of a level playing field.

Your dn is bright kid by the sound of it. A lot can be achieved between now and next May / June. That said, of course your would have been better to organise extra tuition for the kids rather than her wedding. However, this isn’t about her, it’s about the 3 cousins.

DaniW1234 · 07/10/2024 13:58

comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 13:49

They will be in the wedding. I've realised that reading the thread. I need to do better and have harder conversations.

@MaterCogitaVera made a fantastic post that I'll be utilising heavily.

What are you going to do if they put their feet down and say no, OP? Are you going to hire someone to physically dress them and force them? You have the wrong attitude and it's a damaging one.