To expect my daughter to have access to non halal meat

[Bushmillsbabe]

My daughters school now has only halal meat available for their school lunches.

I personally do not wish my child to have halal meat, I think its more cruel than other slaughter methods, however this thread is not intended to debate which is worse/better.

She is dairy and gluten intolerant, and her safe options tended to be things like roast chicken, the vegetarian options usually contain dairy. The pork sausages contain gluten so she would have the chicken sausages, she also eats burgers and meatballs but these are now also halal.

So if I don't give her halal meat, she is left with jacket potato with beans every day, which she does eat, but doesn't want to have every day.

I fully respect that Muslim parents wish their child to have halal meat, but am I wrong in thinking my dietary preferences for my daughter should also be respected and she should have access to non halal meat?

This^

We are not a Muslim country.
Therefore the food should be non halal and the Muslim children should bring in packed lunches.

Exactly my thought.

If you believe all prayer is meaningless why on earth would you care if a chicken burger has had a prayer said over it?

I sometimes think mankind has collectively decided that our actual real problems are too difficult to solve and is occupying itself on complete non-issues as a distraction.

But if you take that line of thinking you have to realise there are no conditions placed on the meat eaten by Christians ? So then it shouldn’t matter ?

i don’t think it’s unreasonable for people to not want to eat meat that’s been prayed to, no one should have to explain why, it’s personal for people, just as it’s personal for people who want it, they shouldn’t have to explain why either. Anyways I’m fairly sure this was just posted to rile people up, it’s not a real issue. If it is it’s easily sorted. Is anyone else getting bored of the outrage/virtue signal thread mill? Yet here I am

A prayer is only words it’s not a magic spell that’s actually going to work in any negative way ?!!!

I’m an atheist - if I don’t want religious meat then I don’t want religious meat. I don’t have to justify it. Neither do you and your dietary preferences should be respected.

To me it isn’t strange.

All animals served as school meals have had the same horrible lives.

But at least the non-halal ones weren’t conscious when they died while the halal ones experienced a slow death from bleeding out while fully conscious.

I feel invoking the argument of animal welfare in general minimises the reality of the fact that the way in which an animal does also matters. They all lead the same lives, it’s the same pool of animals.

I have very similar dietary requirements to your daughter OP and would probably take a packed lunch. But I don’t think YABU at all.

You've seen how chickens are kept haven't you?

If you care so deeply about animal welfare, go vegan and send in packed lunches.

I speak as a vegan coeliac who also had to navigate a kid with multiple dietary exclusions due to widespread gut issues meaning he had to be gluten, dairy, egg and soya free . It's not that hard these days.

But to claim a moral objection to halal... YABVU and when people trot this k8nd if line out I wonder if they have a drop of racism needing to be wiped from their chin....

Again, most halal slaughter in the UK is carried out with pre-stunning.

Meh. This was a thing in London already when I was at school in the 90s. Our dinner ladies just thought it meant vegetarian or pescatarian 😅 I remember telling them on my first day (having moved to an ‘ethnic’ part of London from Bristol) that I didn’t eat meat. She very kindly explained to me that I was halal and plopped some mash on my plate and told me to run off. I guess it didn’t help that I was (still am!) brown. I proudly declared to my mum that evening that I was halal and how come she never knew and she was like 🤔

They can’t do two separate identical roast chicken dishes fgs. 😅 I doubt there’s anything particularly ‘halal’ about the halal one.

Yanbu

And maybe the halal eaters could also take a packed lunch.
Problem solved all round.....

I watched a video of a halal- slaughtered cow. I wish I never. It's poor little face. The poor thing. I will say though, at least, and that's a very least- at least the killing is done with the respect of a prayer

All meat has done animals harm.

Generally. But it's been well documented that stunning is pretty haphazard.
Honestly, all transporting and killing of animals for meat is cruel. Face it, OP. Or fight that rather than tilting at the halal windmill.

Newsflash, all meat is cruel.

It’s hypocritical to say you’re ok with an animal being killed in one way and not another.

With her allergies/intolerances taken into account, just take the vegan choice.

All of them? Yes....

Would you say all this to someone demanding their kid eats halal meat? Because it could be applied to them, too.

The majority, but at around 56-64%, only just. That equates to 94 million livestock dying in pain and in the case of cattle and pigs, knowing that their stable mates are in distress/have died, in the UK per year. People are right to question why we allowed this.
It should be anyone with religious requirements taking in the packed lunch. Or as said, eating the fish dishes.

So you don't care if the animals have suffered horribly during their lives (because meat served in schools will not be free range), but you do care that a few words of prayer may be broadcast as they die?

Makes no sense whatsoever.

What is racist about not wanting halal to be default exactly?

I don’t think it’s hypocritical at all.

When a pet is old or incurably ill, people tend to spend a lot of money on a humane euthanasia. Because DIY-Ing it would rightly be considered animal cruelty.

Quality of death matters.

Let’s face it religion makes no sense.

Halal or non halal or kosher or not the animals lives are not really any different despite claims of such. Just like lots of halal is merely a tape played on repeat not an Imam praying.

but one region shouldn’t taken priority over another unless it is the lands religion and ideals again unless a religious school it has no place at the dinner table of a school and everyone or nobody should have the choice of meat they want.