To expect my daughter to have access to non halal meat

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My daughters school now has only halal meat available for their school lunches.

I personally do not wish my child to have halal meat, I think its more cruel than other slaughter methods, however this thread is not intended to debate which is worse/better.

She is dairy and gluten intolerant, and her safe options tended to be things like roast chicken, the vegetarian options usually contain dairy. The pork sausages contain gluten so she would have the chicken sausages, she also eats burgers and meatballs but these are now also halal.

So if I don't give her halal meat, she is left with jacket potato with beans every day, which she does eat, but doesn't want to have every day.

I fully respect that Muslim parents wish their child to have halal meat, but am I wrong in thinking my dietary preferences for my daughter should also be respected and she should have access to non halal meat?

Yeah, and I'd say too that it's not just religious- it's respect for the slaughtered animal's life being taken

And some people are just virtue signaling.
We see them too.....

Given that you has asked such an obvious question that already had a simple answer clearly given a more thorough explanation seemed to be the best course of action. Very bizzare to take issue about the legth of the answer considering you asked the question and a response was given to you.

Your suspected belief is wrong. It has nothing to do with what I think other people want. The entire point was surrounding the combined group of need and/or want. Not want alone. It is absolutely common sense to state as fact that the majority of the UK population either does not need or does not want halal meat. The only group who needs halal meat are those who follow that religious belief. Even of the majority of the UK population do not mind either way they do not need halal meat.

What I have said is as such completely accurate, amd is backed up by facts I have provided.

If you choose to disbelieve these facts then you are very welcome to provide any facts of your own, rather than just decide wrongly that you think it is wrong with no research of your own.

But at least the non-halal ones weren’t conscious when they died while the halal ones experienced a slow death from bleeding out while fully conscious.

Don't count on it.

'Tiny minirity' what do you mean? Non Muslims are the minority or that most people don't give a fiddle?

For me buying halal is caving to the minority. They can bring packed lunches. We are a Christian country and halal slaughtering of animals isn't something I am good with either.

I would go further- (and I know I'm biased, being vegetarian)- but, imagine an animal like your pet, being bolted in the head and then when they're unconscious- hopefully ! - having their throat cut and killed. Extend that out to a cow or a lamb. It's just sad. Are they really so different animals to our beloved pets. Look at videos of baby lambs and calves, they scamper about, play and bounce around all happy. Maybe we're conditioned to see them as lesser animals.. but maybe they're not ?

It’s a legal requirement and I absolutely do count on it.

YABU - all meat is cruel. Tell the school you will need gluten free vegan meals - these exist and are required by children at many schools.

I highly doubt any of the meat available at school is high quality or high welfare.

If you are worried about the morals/methods of meat slaughtering sign your DD up for vegetarian meals.

I honestly don’t think it’s the prayer most people take issue with but the practice of bleeding a conscious animal to death.

There are other very questionable practices (see the fattening of geese or cooking live lobsters, for example) but the difference is that the public aren’t forced to consume the product through lack of alternatives being offered.

I've seen a video- the cow was bolted/ stunned in the head, it took a few seconds for it to drop down, it felt it for some seconds

With respect I think the animal couldn’t give a flying fuck about a prayer.
How would you rather die- with a prayer or quickly and without being restrained, prolonging your pain.

YANBU OP because if halal wasn’t allowed, you’d hear all about it. However eating meat and dairy is cruel, if you eat it, don’t shy away from that.

Given that halal requires that animals are raised in clean, healthy, and humane environments and most other meat in school lunches will be the product of factory farming, I don't think you really have a leg to stand on.

Do you honestly believe that they are truly treated better. If so I’m sorry for that. It’s not true on the ground level.

If you can see the chickens bring raised on the farm & are happy with what you see then no reason not to eat them.

The bird flu restrictions led some grim conditions even for 'pet' chickens.

The worst farm conditions I've seen have been poultry & egg. (Including organic & 'farm shop' chicken) Having seen that & the production line type slaughter I avoid chicken completely.

I know... and I'm not saying they shouldn't be killed more humanely. It's just a thought, that as humans consuming them, we should have respect for their lives we're taking away, even if we're gonna do it anyway

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I know its a legal requirement. I've also seen and heard a lot of evidence for improper, incomplete and haphazard stunning, both from animal rights organizations working undercover and personally, when I lived with someone from a multigenerational farming family. Most commonly in the kind of factory farmed meat that ends up in school dinners. That's when I gave up eating meat actually. As I said previously, I do think there are ethical ways to eat meat, but I don't have the time or money to seek out sources I would really trust.

absolutely DON'T count on it. My SIL worked on a poultry farm set on a high hill in the dales. Once in a while they'd see the DEFRA van a few miles away and the cry would go up ' the ministry inspectors are coming - let the free range hens out".

if you can cut corners while farming living creatures it's going to be even easier to cut corners with slaughter methods.

I still buy free range because even if the farms they are reared on are as shoddy as SILs, the chickens there will still have seen more daylight than battery hens.

The only way to ensure cruelty free meat is to not eat it.

Have you checked out tge killing in a halal slaughterhouse?

Is this a state school?

I agree, mostly, a lot of people on here are saying that the animal welfare issue is not real because stunning isn’t any more humane or most halal meat is stunned anyway. I’m saying it’s a non issue because the school will likely be able to accommodate OPs daughter easily and they are obliged to. I’m also saying it’s a non issue because this rarely comes up because there are typically halal and non halal options. It’s so clear that if people with halal needs are catered for then people who don’t want halal can be catered for too.
If people think there should be no halal or kosher meat available, because of animal welfare issues that’s different again, probably not a sustainable point because the same argument could be made for banning meat and animal products altogether.

Scotland no longer has religion as majority so thankfully can’t call itself a Christian country.
Meat is dead animals and any slaughter method is cruel

most folk don’t care schools serve halal

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Still, with non-religious slaughter, at least there is a chance the law was applied and the animal was stunned. In the case of religious slaughter, by definition it’s certain the animal had not been stunned.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting this choice.

I don't think it's unreasonable when you can't guarantee the animal has been stunned before slaughter as that's just being even more unnecessarily cruel.

However, I think all slaughter houses are cruel, all practices of killing animals is cruel (the only exception I can understand is the conservation ethical arguments of do we humanely shoot a % of this over breeding species in order to allow the rest to survive, or do we let them all live and naturally starve to death) however some are worse than others.

I understand we will never be at a place where everyone is willing to be plant based, so the at the very least, the most humane practices, including how they are kept beforehand, should be a concern of all who eat meat.

As is the food in a lot of takeaways. That ham and mushroom pizza will probably be halal turkey with a bit of flavouring.