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To expect my daughter to have access to non halal meat

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Bushmillsbabe · 06/10/2024 16:13

My daughters school now has only halal meat available for their school lunches.

I personally do not wish my child to have halal meat, I think its more cruel than other slaughter methods, however this thread is not intended to debate which is worse/better.

She is dairy and gluten intolerant, and her safe options tended to be things like roast chicken, the vegetarian options usually contain dairy. The pork sausages contain gluten so she would have the chicken sausages, she also eats burgers and meatballs but these are now also halal.

So if I don't give her halal meat, she is left with jacket potato with beans every day, which she does eat, but doesn't want to have every day.

I fully respect that Muslim parents wish their child to have halal meat, but am I wrong in thinking my dietary preferences for my daughter should also be respected and she should have access to non halal meat?

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saveforthat · 06/10/2024 17:36

NinetyNineOrangeBalloons · 06/10/2024 17:26

Do you also object to every government since 1935? After all, less than 50% of people voted for them…

That's a bit of a stretch!

KezzaMucklowe · 06/10/2024 17:36

LifesNotEnidBlyton · 06/10/2024 16:51

The majority do not need halal meat because the majority are not Muslim.

People might not care either way, but that is not the same as specifically needing or wanting it.

The information comes from statistics amd common sense.

If the majority of the country does not follow a religion that dictates meat must be a certain way, then the majority of the country does not need meat to be that way.

Given that other religions in the UK specifically forbid eating meat/halal meat they are not going to be asking for it. Many people in the UK are vegetarian or vegan. Many people in the UK, even athiests, specifically object to halal meat. As such, these groups do not want it.

Added together these groups, those who don't need it (everyone in the UK who is not Muslim) and those who don't want it, it is fair to say that the majority of UK residents either do not need or do not want halal meat. In fact the "do not need" group alone is the majority, before you even consider adding the "do not want" group into it.

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That's a very long winded answer to a simple question. When I suspect the real answer is that you don't know what other people want and I very much doubt that any of this is based on what you call common sense.
Thanks for answering anyway.

Wellingtonspie · 06/10/2024 17:36

StaunchMomma · 06/10/2024 17:35

I've worked in schools where there were very few Muslim kids who ate the veggie options and in schools that had many Muslim kids that switched to halal meat but also served some pork products and veggie dishes etc.

Schools communities don't tend to follow societal statistics so the 'minority' argument doesn't work for all.

I would wager that catering companies are mostly concerned with costs but choosing not to eat halal meat is just that - a CHOICE, not a necessity. They do not have to cater for choices.

I'd be sending in a pack up for 3 days and letting her have a jacket one day and chips and beans another.

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A Jewish person a Muslim person could all pick a veggie option. It’s a choice to eat meat full stop. So not wanting halal being a choice and thus doesn’t matter doesn’t wash.

and yes I’m aware Jewish is kosher before I’m jumped on. We don’t serve only kosher though either.

StMarieforme · 06/10/2024 17:37

Gretcort · 06/10/2024 16:17

I suspect you’re being disingenuous over the “more cruel” aspect. Did you check on the conditions that the non halal chickens were kept in before letting her eat it?

Absolutely.

PP is buying into right wing rhetoric without checking her own facts.

Sodthebloodymealplan · 06/10/2024 17:37

This is the second anti-halal thread I have seen on here today. Not buying into the anti-cruelty angle. It is Islamophobia. Own it.

The vast majority of halal meat in this country is stunned before slaughter. The only difference is a tape recording of a prayer being played. And if you have a problem with that, ask yourself why. What actual difference does it make to the meat that there was some background noise?

KezzaMucklowe · 06/10/2024 17:38

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This, with bells on.

Wellingtonspie · 06/10/2024 17:38

Sodthebloodymealplan · 06/10/2024 17:37

This is the second anti-halal thread I have seen on here today. Not buying into the anti-cruelty angle. It is Islamophobia. Own it.

The vast majority of halal meat in this country is stunned before slaughter. The only difference is a tape recording of a prayer being played. And if you have a problem with that, ask yourself why. What actual difference does it make to the meat that there was some background noise?

Because it’s actually against other religions.

So why are re prioritising one religion over another when neither is the overriding religion of the country.

StaunchMomma · 06/10/2024 17:39

Wellingtonspie · 06/10/2024 17:36

A Jewish person a Muslim person could all pick a veggie option. It’s a choice to eat meat full stop. So not wanting halal being a choice and thus doesn’t matter doesn’t wash.

and yes I’m aware Jewish is kosher before I’m jumped on. We don’t serve only kosher though either.

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Totally agree.

AskZoltar · 06/10/2024 17:39

SoupDragon · 06/10/2024 16:19

If you're OK with eating dead animals then a small difference in how they are slaughtered really shouldn't be a problem.

This. It's semantics. I eat meat, I'm relaxed about halal meat. Have you seen the conditions in which chickens are reared?

EarthSight · 06/10/2024 17:39

AutumnGarland · 06/10/2024 16:20

My school only had halal meat, hasn’t done me any harm.

But this isn't about you.

SweetGenie · 06/10/2024 17:40

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Sodthebloodymealplan · 06/10/2024 17:40

Wellingtonspie · 06/10/2024 17:38

Because it’s actually against other religions.

So why are re prioritising one religion over another when neither is the overriding religion of the country.

How is it against other religions? If you don't believe in the god in question, having their prayers read makes no difference whatsoever.

KezzaMucklowe · 06/10/2024 17:40

Sodthebloodymealplan · 06/10/2024 17:37

This is the second anti-halal thread I have seen on here today. Not buying into the anti-cruelty angle. It is Islamophobia. Own it.

The vast majority of halal meat in this country is stunned before slaughter. The only difference is a tape recording of a prayer being played. And if you have a problem with that, ask yourself why. What actual difference does it make to the meat that there was some background noise?

Yep makes you wonder what the agenda is doesn't it.

TENSsion · 06/10/2024 17:41

AskZoltar · 06/10/2024 17:39

This. It's semantics. I eat meat, I'm relaxed about halal meat. Have you seen the conditions in which chickens are reared?

Is this aimed at muslim children? You think they should just eat haram meat?

feelingbadinadoormatway · 06/10/2024 17:41

My dc school has had halal meat for the last 10 years or so ? It’s not an issue for me personally as I think if you’re going to eat meat that animal is going to have been killed either way and it’s not exactly gentle euthanasia for non halal meat isn’t ?

Wellingtonspie · 06/10/2024 17:41

Sodthebloodymealplan · 06/10/2024 17:40

How is it against other religions? If you don't believe in the god in question, having their prayers read makes no difference whatsoever.

Sikhs are not allowed to eat food that’s been prayed over. So yes it does matter.

iloveeverykindofcat · 06/10/2024 17:41

Sodthebloodymealplan · 06/10/2024 17:37

This is the second anti-halal thread I have seen on here today. Not buying into the anti-cruelty angle. It is Islamophobia. Own it.

The vast majority of halal meat in this country is stunned before slaughter. The only difference is a tape recording of a prayer being played. And if you have a problem with that, ask yourself why. What actual difference does it make to the meat that there was some background noise?

I agree completely. I have literally never seen an anti-halal poster explain why their supermarket chicken or whatever is more ethically bred, farmed or killed than a halal cow. And I'm neither Muslim nor a meat-eater, I just recognise hypocrisy when I see i.

feelingbadinadoormatway · 06/10/2024 17:42

If you’re worrying about how animals are killed then just be vegetarian?

AutumnGarland · 06/10/2024 17:42

EarthSight · 06/10/2024 17:39

But this isn't about you.

Just sharing my own perspective and experience.

PiggleToes · 06/10/2024 17:42

AutumnGarland · 06/10/2024 16:20

My school only had halal meat, hasn’t done me any harm.

I think the point was whether it had done the animals any harm?

Whyherewego · 06/10/2024 17:42

Gretcort · 06/10/2024 16:17

I suspect you’re being disingenuous over the “more cruel” aspect. Did you check on the conditions that the non halal chickens were kept in before letting her eat it?

This !

Procrastrinata · 06/10/2024 17:42

Sodthebloodymealplan · 06/10/2024 17:40

How is it against other religions? If you don't believe in the god in question, having their prayers read makes no difference whatsoever.

It does make a difference if you want to live in a secular society. I am against introducing religion in slaughterhouses and anywhere really.

Wellingtonspie · 06/10/2024 17:43

And I’ll perfectly happily order a curry from the local Indian with halal meat btw but it’s my
choice. See the word choice again. It’s being removed from parents/children in school where they only serve halal however.

GrammarTeacher · 06/10/2024 17:43

Totally unreasonable. If you read the investigative book into our food industry Not On The Label you'll realise that consider non-halal methods as 'humane' is just fooling yourself. It also fascinates me that I never see the same complaints about kosher methods.
You're either against slaughtering animals for food or you're not.

GrammarTeacher · 06/10/2024 17:45

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The dominant cultural group is the same as it has been for centuries. We are not a minority. This is a racist dog whistle.

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