Survey at work using the term cis woman

[SuzanneRogers]

So I filled all the survey, very happy at work, public secror.
Note that this survey is outsourced by another survey organisation.

Then I come to the last bit please describe your role in the organisation, did that, and then how would you describe your sex or gender?

( Can’t remember exactly how the question was phrased )but the only option for women was “cis woman.”

Quite cross about this and I’m not sure how to best articulate this to my managers who, to be fair never use this term and will not have had any input to designing the survey. Any input welcome.

If you are nor a trans woman then you are a cis woman
Get over it.

That sounds good then people can identify as a ciswoman or transwoman as they see fit

No. You don't get to dictate how people identify

No. You’re WOMAN - no prefix required

And? Maybe they're trans but have decided neovaginas/penises aren't the way to go and they'll live with whay they have.

My femaleness is not determined by how I feel. I identify as not in the same sex or gender category as anyone who has had a penis or tested.

Therefore the existence of transwoman as a category of a woman on a survey means that by definition I don't identify with the survey's definition of a woman.

I don't identify as a feeling.

By that same token then, if you have a penis you are a man.
Get over it.

I am not a transwoman and I am not a cis-woman. I am a woman.
Get over it.

Cis has only recently become de rigueur as a prefix to man or woman.

It's not de rigeur in the average person's vocabulary. Most people either don't understand what it means or roll their eyes at it as yet more overreach by irritating trans rights activists.

Yes it’s important to realise the impact of language

There’s a lot of theory on this if people read up

"Be who you want to be"
"Live your best life"
"Be your authentic self"
🤮

Any more?

No I am not. I am an adult human female. Therefore I am a woman. Please don't use the word "cis" to refer to me or other women. It's thoroughly offensive. The trans mob want to essentially ostracise women from their own sex by using words like that to other them.

There's a lot of underlying sexism in the design of surveys. I no longer fill in surveys which are presented online with no option to view the whole set of questions before deciding whether to fill it in or not. If we all demanded forms we can view fully beforehand and declined to fill them in if not, they would have to change.

This is but another example of how we are required as a default to kowtow to a (usually computerised) system designed by some tech person and served upon us whether we like it or not. Let your employer know that you don't like the format and to consult staff before they design these questions.

@Waitingforthecold I have to disagree with you the word women does not describe gender it describes sex. The phrase woman simply means 'an adult human female'.

Gender refers to the socially constructed stereotypes that were associated with being a man/woman. For years women have pushed hard to remove these stereotypes e.g. women are only valuable if they are feminine and in the whole had been largely successful. As a woman in the UK I am free to be who I want to be.

The issue is that the genders associated with being a man are still being challenged. Feminine man are still being told that you are not a man who prefers to wear a dress/make up . You are trying to be a woman therefore you are a transwoman. In my opinion this is incorrect. A man wearing a dress and makeup does not make him less male. He is still a man, an adult human male.

This is where the confusion begins because there were already a group of individuals who were using the identifier of trans. People who have gender dysphoria who believe they have been born into the wrong bodies and use surgery/drugs to transform their sexual characteristics into the opposite sex.

In the grand scheme of things I have no issue with how anyone chooses to live but I firmly believe that when genders matters in this day and age it does not and it is something that should be consigned to history, however when sex matters it matters.

Or they just keep their male genitals and get banged up with the other male criminals on the correct prison for their sex.

If you are nor a trans woman then you are a cis woman
Get over it.

I'm not a "trans woman" because I'm not a man. I'm a woman. No other descriptive term is needed.

"Simply, "Cis" means you agree with
Men competing in women's sport
Men being allowed in women's single-sex spaces (hospital wards, changing rooms, prisons, rape centres etc)
Men's opinions being more important than women's

By the definition of a minority of people.

There's nothing to get over because, for the majority, adult males and females will remain (unostentatiously) men and women 🙂

Was it paper or online. If its paper I normally cross out the cis.

So you think it’s ‘kind’ to prefix the word ‘woman’ with ‘cis’ despite the fact that so many women are offended by it ?

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Quite. This kindness and respect thing only seems to flow one way

So a person can identify as female, according to you, and retain male genitalia? A person who apparently suffers from gender dysphoria will want to keep the genitalia which supposedly cause them so much anguish?
It's really not a fetish, is it?

So if you are not a catholic then you are a protestant is also a reasonable position to hold?

I find the word cis both irrelevant and offensive

Why would any woman or man describe themselves in this way

They might decide it's the least worst situation. I don't know much about neovaginas but they seem to just be a hole that needs manual expansion and gets infected easily.

Spot on.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Men are women

A question, for all those arguing that the word "woman" should now include transwomen and that "cis-" works for the rest of us.

There's a group of people in Afghanistan who can't leave their homes unsupervised, and whose voices mustn't be heard in public.

What should we call them?