Time for a new PM and Chancellor?

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I wrote this on another thread but feel it should have its own thread.

Although I voted Labour (the current Tory’s are too insane), I think it may be time to swap out Starmer and Reeves. If this is done early, there’s enough parliament time left to bed a new PM and Chancellor in.

They both lack ideas, seem confused, no vision etc. They had 14 years to think up workable plans. Coming in and throwing their hands up saying there’s no money so they can’t do anything is very poor. They want to continue austerity on the sly. They indulge in stupid culture wars like VAT to rob Peter to pay Paul (and Paul won’t see a penny anyway). They have bad advisors and are arrogant. It looks like they are just excited to have the job titles and don’t know what to do.

Get a top two who will come up with a bold plan. We’re in the gutter so there’s opportunities to deliver quick wins. They don’t always need funding, simple policy changes can make big and quick differences. If they gave each department a target to deliver one quick legislative win by Christmas, we’d start 2025 differently.

Unfortunately we’re stuck with two people who can’t believe their luck, and who are afraid of the Daily Mail, Murdoch, some loud Redwall types and bots on X who wish our country economic harm. They are weak.

If Labour were a football team, there would be fans screaming for Starmer to be sacked now.

This is not about getting rid of Labour. I believe there is talent in the wider party, much more than in the Conservatives who hollowed out their party under Johnson. Nevertheless I just don’t think Starmer and Reeves should have their roles.

One of the many, many reasons why the previous government failed was the revolving door of ministers, disinterested in their brief because they didn't know whether they would be doing it for more than 5 minutes. Not just the PM and chancellor, but education secretaries galore, disrupting and damaging education, culture secretaries every 5 minutes etc etc.

This is coming perilously close to a 'personal attack' - why can't you debate/disagree without being so unpleasant?

Why the reference to euthanasia? The bill on assisted dying is a free vote on which the government is neutral.

Exactly. Perhaps @ChilledBubbles needs to look at the talk guidelines.

I wonder if the Labour Party ever regret Ed Miliband becoming leader over David. I think possibly David would have attracted more 'quality' candidates to the Labour Party.

You may not be Tory HQ but you’re def the Daily Fail’s target audience
Read yesterday that if a Daily Fail reading pensioner stopped buying it they could save £700 per year.

I don't recall I said it was a good advert, did I, I just said a piano would fit in an average house if you wanted one and the coffee machine looked cheap, I wouldn't know what Rolex looked like as I have no interest in watches, the laptop looks like a normal Windows one but I don't know anything about those either as I only use Apple. It may be an expensive laptop but I doubt it, being Windows.

It was pretty obvious but I doubt there’s anyone else to replace before another GE

He’s wedged in and Reeves

It is very telling, isn't it?

Sliding doors moment that

Op, if we have a cold winter and the excess death rate among pensioners rises significantly, KS & RR will be directly and personally responsible and they'll be gone by March.

I agree that Labour has better talent.

Who?

There are loads of new Labour MPs. Presumably some of them will be good at the job and will get promoted once they get settled in.

By what mechanism will they be gone?
Did any Tory PM go as a direct consequence of the many deaths directly caused by their benefits policies?

It's odd. No one cared when Johnson was happy to see pensioners killed off by Covid. Also look at the way pensioners were talked about on MN during covid and generally up to July 5th this year.

All this sudden concern for pensioners is heartwarming, I must say.

Ah. No one in particular then? I wonder if there is discontent within the Parliamentary Labour Party about their current cabinet. Let's hope some of those 'presumably good new MPs' find a voice soon.

Why would you wonder that?

Look, I’m no Tory apologist, but they couldn’t use pensioners who are visibly poor as they will get pension credits and fuel support. They had to use the ‘inbetween’ of well off and poor. Those who, apparently like the one gentleman, relying solely on his and his wife’s state pension, but who may have bought a decent little house in his lifetime when it was possible to get a mortgage.

“They don’t always need funding, simple policy changes can make big and quick differences”

This has to be the most stupid/naive thing I’ve ever read. You must be a Tory @2dogsandabudgie 😂

They have put in place lots of great policies already, such as serving staff getting their tips, which should have been done ages ago, and kids getting free school meals, and all the strikes being fixed.

If you went to work in politics for even 5 minutes you'd understand how long things take, there's not going to be huge flagship policies completed in a few weeks 😂

You're very impatient. 20 years of mismanagement can't be fixed in 3 months.

I would have liked Yvette Cooper as a Labour leader, she always seemed both human and sensible.

But the pointing out that there are loads of new MPs to choose from is the contrast to when Labour were scrabbling around for a shadow cabinet after Corbyn, and how Johnson was in a party of no-talent post-Brexit which led to awful appointments like Gavin Williamson.

These threads are hilarious. We know exactly who you are, you know.

This is patently untrue

Have you forgotten about Corbyn already - he's not even in the LP now

I assume the pp meant when they’re in power

All I saw was that we were granny killers and had to save granny, maybe you were on different threads to me