So if your friend lost 5 stone in 6 months .. would you wonder how ?

[AboutVattime]

Just inquisitive.. my best friend has always been obese. About 22 stone. I have worried about her health silently for a very long time.. she started Mountjaro in April and is now 14 st. I am completely thrilled for her . Her blood pressure is now 'upper' but not ' see your healthcare provider' .. her heart 'murmurs' have ceased.. I am worried that when she come to the end of her treatment she's will just gain it all again. It is without a miraculous drug.. she has struggled to afford...she is incredibly good with money and financially planned every inch of her journey so that her treatment equalled less than her cost of food consumption.. but only in the short term ( she planned 8 months but goal in 6)

My AIBU is ..I see the amazing difference , she is so happy for the first time in a long time after years of weight watchers, slimming world, Cambridge diet.. low carb, NHS gastric band..(15 years ago which helped but only ever got her to 16 stone before piling it back on) .. she has found one of the Mountjaro providers who will prescribe a maintenance dose...

But she can't afford it long term. It will be £189 per month without a discount.. AIBU to say I can pay this for her. She is my very best friend . I love her new found sense of self confidence.. and don't want it to go.. the money is not an issue for me . I am extremely comfortable and struggle to spend. However would love to help someone I love very much.

Just for complete transparency I had crept over into 'unhealthy' zone as also had osteoporosis in knees. Also took Mountjaro for 2 months and know how incredible it is. I have kept it off for 5 months without a maintenance dose .. it just reinforced healthy eating recipes for me . . But I haven't been morbidly obese

I DIDN’T SAY IT WAS HEALTHY FOR ALL HUMANS.

I SAID IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NORMAL FOR EARLY HUMANS TO HAVE PERIODS WITHOUT FOOD. LIKE IN WINTER WHEN THERE WEREN’T BERRIES OR PLANTS TO EAT.

Some of those early humans would have been eaten by sabre toothed tigers or died of infections. Sorry for not sharing a full “week in the life of”.

There are still tribes living like that FFS. And guess what health issues they don’t experience………

Yet to read a paper referring to eating disorders in Neolithic times.

That’s incredibly kind of you and a lovely gesture, if I was your friend I would be touched. It may be worth putting a timescale of two years on it in case the financial situation changes for you?

Yeah just to echo the other poster I walk at least 10,000 steps every day. For me that's 90 minutes walk (I have dogs)

It makes practically no difference to calories I can consume. If there's any difference it's negligible

I think you’re mistaking me for someone else. I never gave any ‘terms’ and I haven’t painted any pictures. I was simply saying that the difference in accuracy wasn’t particularly relevant to the point being made by another poster.

checking usernames not a strong point?

you will be able to keep it off. you need to weight train and build muscle to help burn calories and be able ti eat more. excercise will be key. if you feel better with the weight off you are more likely to find an excites routine you enjoy. a dance class tennis spin judo swimming anything really. i wish you lots of luck you are doing amazing. you should be proud of yourself

OP you have said you have changed your way of eating but has your friend? Is she relying too much on the drug? As you said she has already had an operation that worked for a time and then back to the old ways of eating the weight went on. If your friend isn’t willing to change her ways then it’s sadly money wasted.
I have an obese friend who went to a clinic for three weeks, her diet was very good, she had to eat a certain amount of food, three times a day, a list of 3 weeks of meals to be repeated. They weren’t the usual small amounts but ordinary everyday filling meals, protein, veg and starch. She lost weight 2 kilos a month but after 3 months she decided she would pick and chose what she wanted to eat and on went the weight.

This sounds like marketing. The thread title covertly sets the question in your head and behold, a wonder drug is revealed under the guise of a concerned friend.

If I want to give people money without them being offended, I offer to 'loan' it to them, but am very clear that they can just pay me back 'whenever there's a bit more slack in the budget'. And then I just wave it off, 'Oh don't worry about it, just pay me back when you've got a bit extra or unexpected lottery win'. If you want to pay for this for your friend, is there any way you can do it like this?

I SAID IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NORMAL FOR EARLY HUMANS TO HAVE PERIODS WITHOUT FOOD. LIKE IN WINTER WHEN THERE WEREN’T BERRIES OR PLANTS TO EAT.

Did early humans only live in places like Europe with those kinds of seasons? Weird. And BTW early Indigenous people developed fruit leathers, so they could have berries year round. They also migrated, ate various things to maintain diet all year round and so on. They also ate starchy roots, fish, insects, leaves and so on.

Many first peoples lived in places where they are positively falling over food, of course. Look for the early people who have a rich tradition of art and culture, they probably had too much food and lot of leisure time.

Sugar takes work (fruit and honey) so we crave those to make us do the work. Early humans would have been mainlining sugar if they could.

You’ve just answered your own point. Until the food manufacturers came along. Obesity is complicated but carry on if your judgmental opinions make you happy.

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No, won't be taking any other exercise up as I'm very happy with walking the dogs every day - I never used to be able to do that. I've now been doing it 4 years and love it.

I don't have time and can't do most other exercises anyway (arthritis/money/time - all classes where I am are £20 an hour)

Besides walking is something I can enjoy and do forever.

Even at my weight it's still weight bearing

Great come back @ItTook9Years. Didn't realise people actually say whatevs 😂. Especially superwomen like yourself. The only person making ridiculous claims on here is you. Easily lost 3st in 3mths, hmmmm yeah 'whatevs'.

You're arguing with everyone in this thread like a broken record, yet still can't understand how ridiculous you sound.

@Longtimelurkerfinallyposts I can fully believe that plenty if posters who have decades of experience of crash dieting have pushed their BMR down well below 1000 calories a day.

It's the 'hidden' (but now better researched) side-effect of rapid weight loss plans. Eating under your BMR regularly will cause your body to adapt into starvation mode so you will need even fewer calories to maintain weight in future.

If anyone loses weight faster than 1-2 lbs a week, this is what will be happening inside the body.

Can anyone who's been prescribed (rather than sourcing via internet with no medical oversight) these weight loss drugs clarify whether patients are also given medical advice on weight training to increase their muscle mass and/or sprint interval training to improve heart rate variability & drive up metabolism again once the majority of weight loss has occurred?

The NHS seems to shy away a bit from the fact that exercising until you're really hot & sweaty 4-6 times a week is likely to be required to 'fix' the impact of crash diets and attempt to get BMR back closer to 1400 calories/day in order to help maintain any serious weight loss long term.

@AboutVattime have you & your friend added an exercise program to address improvements to metabolic rate in addition to considering long-term maintenance doses of the drug?

Can the NHS not supply anything? 😞😞

One side is you caring about her health, but the other is you thinking you like her slimmer and being controlling in keeping her at that weight.
What happens if she has side effects later on, won't you feel guilty?

Or if she decides she'd rather be big than inject herself?

She's old enough to look after herself and like others have said, are you willing to pay for the rest of her life?

How lovely & kind of you- can I be your bestie please- you sound like a genuine friend, most people would be envious of their friends weight loss, friends like you are few & far between 😊

I started on ozempic last year. That eventually became unavailable so ended up on the copies, I've lost just over 2 stone, go to gym 5 days a week, only do tread mill though. I'm no longer taking any injections, haven't for about 4 months now. But my point is, I ate so little, my appetite was zero, i never felt hungry ever. And became obsessed with what I ate. My diets not brilliant now, but I'm delighted to have kept the weight off.

Why won’t the NHS prescribe it for her? She could go and ask them, she’s found something that works and they’ll want to support her to loose more weight and to be healthy, saving the nhs money in the long run….. but she will need to change her lifestyle too as can’t stay on this forever… I think it’s only safe for 2 years?! I have a friend who is on it for type 2 diabetes because if reduces insulin resistance and she’s been told it’s only allowed for 2 years maximum!so your friend must find something else to maintain long term… I also think she needs to pay something towards it then you just pay the extra bit she can’t afford (the bit that the discount is saving her) otherwise the money will go on food and the expensive drug not so effective @AboutVattime

I think you are a wonderful friend

The title is confusing because this is just a blatant advertisement dressed up as an ordinary post.

As with other health markers, weight is just one of them. Reducing your body fat by injecting yourself with this drug is not making you healthy and may kill you.

The same argument is true of blood pressure medication. It's proven that reducing your blood pressure via medication does not lead to a longer life or better outcomes.

If you want to be healthy, stop eating foods you weren't designed to eat (refined carbohydrates) and your natural hunger signals will be restored and your body will be the weight its meant to be.

Moreover your mood will significantly improve. You are causing mood disturbances every time you eat these processed foods, this causes depression and emotional instability.

Even a cursory glance at research from credible sources reveals the benefits of fasting.

The bottom line is that this drug is ridiculous and anyone who recommends it is some combination of ignorant, malicious or greedy.

You have repeatedly been asked to show any proof for your claims that this medicine is dangerous and could kill. You just keep ignoring these posts. Any reason?

This.

Is it a postcode lottery thing?

Cannot get it here. If really morbidly obese you might get on a waiting list.

Good luck to the friend

I have read the majority of the thread and found it a very interesting read. I think it's a generous offer and it could help her in the long run. Has she made any changes to what she eats?

I like food and I like eating it and I do like to cook from scratch. I like the idea of weight training so I can continue eating the food I enjoy. Spin is also a good form of exercise especially if you can keep up in the hard classes you will see changes. My life would be miserable if all I did was count calories because I couldn't be bothered to work the muscles. Food is medicine for your body without it you can easily be sick. If I am sick a make a chicken soup with hearty vegetables.

My dad was a type 2 diabetic before he died he had no weight on him. It was what he ate that made him ill it was rubbish.