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Starting my Social Services parenting class today. Filled with rage. AIBU?

134 replies

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 09:47

My 7 year old daughter told me about abuse by her father - weird controlling stuff about toilet use and being strangled when he was angry.

I reported the abuse and there was no negative consequence for him. The idiot social worker suggested to my daughter's face that she was lying because my daughter didn't demonstrate that she protested forcefully enough when being strangled. I was told I need to support the father/daughter relationship more.

My punishment for reporting the abuse is that I have to attend 20 hours of parenting courses, starting today. I could have used this time to do things with/for my daughter.

AIBU to feel rage over this?

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Blusterydaytodaypoohbear · 04/10/2024 09:50

I would be inserting spyware into my dd's stuff she takes to see her df... My ex was a convincing nice man in public.. I threw a Cafcass woman out of my home... The whole system leaves dc wide open to abusers.

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 09:51

Blusterydaytodaypoohbear · 04/10/2024 09:50

I would be inserting spyware into my dd's stuff she takes to see her df... My ex was a convincing nice man in public.. I threw a Cafcass woman out of my home... The whole system leaves dc wide open to abusers.

It has made been clear to me that recording anything is considered to be very wrong. I recorded my daughter telling me about the abuse and this was viewed as proof that I am a bad parent.

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HebburnPokemon · 04/10/2024 09:54

Sadly this does not surprise me AT ALL. Is there anywhere you can report to? MP perhaps?

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 09:56

HebburnPokemon · 04/10/2024 09:54

Sadly this does not surprise me AT ALL. Is there anywhere you can report to? MP perhaps?

I have been thinking about this, actually! We have a new MP in my area who I think is really switched on.

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ICarriedTheWatermelon · 04/10/2024 09:59

Well this is sinister - you report your physical abuse of a child, and YOU get punished? 😳YANBU

Please appeal and report the social worker.

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:01

ICarriedTheWatermelon · 04/10/2024 09:59

Well this is sinister - you report your physical abuse of a child, and YOU get punished? 😳YANBU

Please appeal and report the social worker.

My expensive solicitor made it clear that this will just make me look like a troublemaker. This is how the system works.

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PersephoneAgrees · 04/10/2024 10:01

This doesn’t sound right and I would be extremely angry as well, in the same position. Can you ask your social worker exactly why you’re being penalised and not your abusive husband?

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:03

PersephoneAgrees · 04/10/2024 10:01

This doesn’t sound right and I would be extremely angry as well, in the same position. Can you ask your social worker exactly why you’re being penalised and not your abusive husband?

No. They closed the case. He and I have the exact same punishments.

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Doggymummar · 04/10/2024 10:04

So he is doing parenting classes too? He's not been exonerated? I guess that's something, but not sure why you have to do it too. Seems harsh

KissMyArt · 04/10/2024 10:05

It looks like they think whatever's going on in the child's life, is 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other if you both have to take parenting classes.

5128gap · 04/10/2024 10:05

Do they think that you've encouraged your DD to make false allegations? If so, then they should be clear they suspect this so you have the opportunity to rebut it. Or do they think your DD has made false allegations because shes troubled and the classes are to help you support her? At the moment there appears to be no explicit link between the allegations and you having to attend the classes so my first step would be to ask them the reason for it, what they expected to be achieved by it etc. then take if from there. While you should always cooperate, that doesn't mean blind compliance with any instruction if you don't understand the reason and purpose.

Endllllessslyendingggs · 04/10/2024 10:06

Dear god, I’m so very sorry to read this. As a professional, I’ve had dealings with some pretty unprofessional social workers but your post beats the lot.

In my experience, your best way forward is to try and appease the social workers by appearing to do everything they ask of you without comments. Very sadly, they hold the power. I’m thinking the child’s father is a manipulative twat.

Ellerby83 · 04/10/2024 10:10

Wouldn't your daughter being strangled be a police matter?

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:12

5128gap · 04/10/2024 10:05

Do they think that you've encouraged your DD to make false allegations? If so, then they should be clear they suspect this so you have the opportunity to rebut it. Or do they think your DD has made false allegations because shes troubled and the classes are to help you support her? At the moment there appears to be no explicit link between the allegations and you having to attend the classes so my first step would be to ask them the reason for it, what they expected to be achieved by it etc. then take if from there. While you should always cooperate, that doesn't mean blind compliance with any instruction if you don't understand the reason and purpose.

This is the abuser's playbook. My ex told them that I am a parental alienator etc. Even though this doesn't really happen much at all, it is viewed as being a credible accusation.

Social Services aren't fact finders and they find it difficult to tell who is telling the truth. They also don't receive good training on abuse. So manipulative coercive controllers end up with the upper hand.

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BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:13

Ellerby83 · 04/10/2024 10:10

Wouldn't your daughter being strangled be a police matter?

Social Services scolded me for calling the police and told me that I should have just discussed with my ex. The police said that it is a Social Services matter. They investigated but couldn't do anything since my ex denied the allegations.

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SunQueen24 · 04/10/2024 10:13

Yup. Utter madness based on what you’ve said OP.

Neveragain8102 · 04/10/2024 10:13

Welcome to the insane system.

strap yourself in. And don’t let it rob you if your sanity - because if you do that’s the nail in the coffin

Neveragain8102 · 04/10/2024 10:15

Endllllessslyendingggs · 04/10/2024 10:06

Dear god, I’m so very sorry to read this. As a professional, I’ve had dealings with some pretty unprofessional social workers but your post beats the lot.

In my experience, your best way forward is to try and appease the social workers by appearing to do everything they ask of you without comments. Very sadly, they hold the power. I’m thinking the child’s father is a manipulative twat.

This is the advice I wished id have had.

it’s all true.

SS are pretty useless when it comes to figuring out who’s the master manipulator.

5128gap · 04/10/2024 10:15

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:12

This is the abuser's playbook. My ex told them that I am a parental alienator etc. Even though this doesn't really happen much at all, it is viewed as being a credible accusation.

Social Services aren't fact finders and they find it difficult to tell who is telling the truth. They also don't receive good training on abuse. So manipulative coercive controllers end up with the upper hand.

I see. I also note you've had legal advice to cooperate. I'm very sorry OP. It nust be incredibly frustrating and also concerning because the allegations are serious and were not upheld.

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:20

Endllllessslyendingggs · 04/10/2024 10:06

Dear god, I’m so very sorry to read this. As a professional, I’ve had dealings with some pretty unprofessional social workers but your post beats the lot.

In my experience, your best way forward is to try and appease the social workers by appearing to do everything they ask of you without comments. Very sadly, they hold the power. I’m thinking the child’s father is a manipulative twat.

Thank you. This is my understanding. It's part of what is making me so angry. I don't want to go along with things and act like I think that I deserve this.

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Bangwam1 · 04/10/2024 10:20

Be as loud as you can, keep evidence. They can be worst than the abusers themselves and they use the same techniques. Biggest one is silencing you.

Try to just get out of the system quietly but if they want war, public as possible (TikTok, everywhere)

I await this thread being deleted by mumsnet

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:21

Bangwam1 · 04/10/2024 10:20

Be as loud as you can, keep evidence. They can be worst than the abusers themselves and they use the same techniques. Biggest one is silencing you.

Try to just get out of the system quietly but if they want war, public as possible (TikTok, everywhere)

I await this thread being deleted by mumsnet

I want to shout from the rooftops but I can't really do this while I am still under the thumb of my daughter's and my abuser.

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PadstowGirl · 04/10/2024 10:23

Was he violent with you OP? Do you have any medical records or work sickness records that could support this?

Bangwam1 · 04/10/2024 10:24

BigSmallFigBall · 04/10/2024 10:21

I want to shout from the rooftops but I can't really do this while I am still under the thumb of my daughter's and my abuser.

I understand. Keep all evidence and recordings of your interactions with them and the abuser. Don’t let your daughter know, don’t let anyone know.

Play it smart (I can see you already are)
Good luck 💖

Stressedafff · 04/10/2024 10:27

The system needs a fucking overhaul. These men are given free rein to abuse their children through a male favoured process. I’m so angry for you OP.

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