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How on earth are we allowing porn like this to access

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Puttheneedleontherackets · 30/09/2024 18:10

Surely aggressive and violent porn and all the other filth must be affecting people? I worry so much about what children get to see. Surely it must have an effect on men, it’s just so shocking the things that are out there.
We never had access to this before, just some magazines, Page 3, a few videos…what’s available now surely must have a psychological affect on people

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ATenShun · 01/10/2024 22:54

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

Well if they are children, as I previously suggested. The parents need to parent their behaviour. Perhaps spend less time on social media and sites like mumsnet complaining about the behaviour of youngsters and ensure what they do is legal.

It is not societies job to bring up your child!

OonaStubbs · 01/10/2024 23:56

Sorry but while I agree that it is a parents job to parent their child, I do not think that hardcore porn is suitable for anyone to watch, regardless of their age. It needs to be shut down, worldwide.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/10/2024 00:14

ATenShun · 01/10/2024 22:54

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

Well if they are children, as I previously suggested. The parents need to parent their behaviour. Perhaps spend less time on social media and sites like mumsnet complaining about the behaviour of youngsters and ensure what they do is legal.

It is not societies job to bring up your child!

My children are toddlers. They're not watching porn.

What do I do when they are young adults and, despite my best efforts to stop them watching porn themselves, all the other young adults around them are utterly addled by it and have warped brains as a result?

ThisHangryPinkBalonz · 02/10/2024 00:46

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/10/2024 21:23

The problem is that if 95% of 18 year olds have seen all this disgusting stuff and think it's normal, there won't be any nice boys for our daughters to have their first, safe, respectful, consensual sexual experiences with.

Do you have a source for that figure? By all this digusting stuff, do you mean porn in general or more hard-core?

I've met lots of people who had been escorts / swingers etc. ... most people are perfectly normal and have normal expectations in the bedroom unless it's a fetish discussed. No- one goes and randomly starts strangling/ pegging/ aggressive anal on someone (even those in vanilla relationships)

Lots of them, can be meeting a stranger for a fetish / gangbang/ paid - on a weekend and during the week, teaching/ nursing - you name it but what I'm trying to get across is there is a delusion that all people with very experimental sex lives or into porn are violent or vulnerable, which is incorrect.

Yes, there needs to be more done to stop under 18s accessing it but everyone accessing legal sexual activities/ content that is over 18, is there business. It would be like banning all alcohol because of addiction/ all unhealthy food due to the obesity problem etc.

Mamai100 · 02/10/2024 00:53

I cannot tell you the impact its had on my family already. My 8 year old nephew was shown it on numerous occasions and has some real issues already at 9 years of age so much so that he's in therapy.

Then I lost my husband to it. He's currently attending SAA and says it's all online porn that has brought them there.

I have two daughters and I try not to think too much about how it could impact their future because my mental health is already on shakey ground with the effects it's had on our family so far.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 01:01

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/10/2024 00:14

My children are toddlers. They're not watching porn.

What do I do when they are young adults and, despite my best efforts to stop them watching porn themselves, all the other young adults around them are utterly addled by it and have warped brains as a result?

Every young adult? Every single one of them?

The internet has been around for decades already, it's always had questionable content on it. Granted, smartphones are a comparatively recent invention, but children's ability to access the internet didn't just begin in 2014 or so.

There will always be some young people who have absolutely no interest in pornography and pay it no attention. There will always be others who see it, but are perfectly able to discern between fantasy and reality, and others who see it, use porn, but don't share the kinks or indulge in any of the behaviours commonly cited as the most concerning on here.

Sorry, but I simply don't believe its credible to claim that all, or even the majority of young people are destined to grow up addled by porn and have "warped brains" as a result. It sounds no different to the hyperbolic stuff said about "video nasties" in the 80s and 90s, and no doubt complaints about permissive "hippy" cultures and so on.

Young people are not universally gullible. Often impressionable, yes, but even then the majority are perfectly capable of rationalising what they are exposed to.

Puttheneedleontherackets · 02/10/2024 01:33

I cannot believe some of the comments on here defending it or being blasé. Have you actually seen the shit on Pornhub, even the adverts, the language used, it’s agressive and derogatory and it seems to be getting worse and worse. How this cannot affect people’s minds I’ve no idea. Also, to the people saying there was porn in the 80’s & 90’s, it was NOTHING like now. My Dd is
only still v young, but I’m v scared for her future
I find it very odd the people downplaying it, have you actually looked at it recently, are you men?

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Yamantau · 02/10/2024 02:29

Puttheneedleontherackets · 02/10/2024 01:33

I cannot believe some of the comments on here defending it or being blasé. Have you actually seen the shit on Pornhub, even the adverts, the language used, it’s agressive and derogatory and it seems to be getting worse and worse. How this cannot affect people’s minds I’ve no idea. Also, to the people saying there was porn in the 80’s & 90’s, it was NOTHING like now. My Dd is
only still v young, but I’m v scared for her future
I find it very odd the people downplaying it, have you actually looked at it recently, are you men?

by the same token considering all the violence in tv, films, that also needs addressing

Yamantau · 02/10/2024 02:30

and the first book to ban, 50 shades of grey

SocksAndTheCity · 02/10/2024 03:30

OonaStubbs · 01/10/2024 23:56

Sorry but while I agree that it is a parents job to parent their child, I do not think that hardcore porn is suitable for anyone to watch, regardless of their age. It needs to be shut down, worldwide.

Where does that stop? You don't want to watch something then fine, but who will you appoint to decide what other adults are allowed to view; this goes beyond punishing others because some lazy arseholes can't be bothered to supervise their kids properly? You are talking about fictional scenarios being played out by paid actors for the purposes of entertainment, and just because it's not to your taste doesn't mean you get to dictate to the rest of us.

I like horror films, and anybody who remembers the attempts at censorship in the eighties via the Video Recordings Act will know how well that went. Following the 'logic' here, any creative work depicting murder, abuse, violence and so on ought to be censored too, since those things are illegal and you obviously think people (other than you) are too thick to tell the difference - it's like Mary Whitehouse came back from the bloody dead 🤣

starray · 02/10/2024 03:56

Puttheneedleontherackets · 02/10/2024 01:33

I cannot believe some of the comments on here defending it or being blasé. Have you actually seen the shit on Pornhub, even the adverts, the language used, it’s agressive and derogatory and it seems to be getting worse and worse. How this cannot affect people’s minds I’ve no idea. Also, to the people saying there was porn in the 80’s & 90’s, it was NOTHING like now. My Dd is
only still v young, but I’m v scared for her future
I find it very odd the people downplaying it, have you actually looked at it recently, are you men?

None so blind as those who don't want to see.

Lurkingandlearning · 02/10/2024 04:30

it seems it’s getting worse and worse and no one does anything about it

Genuine question - who do you think should do something about it and what do you think they should do to stop it?

I don’t disagree with you. Porn addiction and it’s affects is mentioned frequently here. Teenagers and less frequently younger children who watch porn are likely to have a skewed view of real sexual relationships and continue to watch porn throughout their lives. The actors are not always willing or legal. The question of willingness when it’s only because the choice is poverty. Etc…

I just don’t see how it can be stopped. I think it will only stop if people stop watching it. But I would genuinely be interested to know how you think that could be done.

theresabluebirdinmyheart · 02/10/2024 04:36

ATenShun · 01/10/2024 16:27

So the site when it was made aware the content was illegal removed it.

@Holdyourpeace
Which brings us back to what I've been saying all along. If it is legal, although a subject you do not like. The reasonable action for parents is to control what their children have access to. Not expect the internet suppliers, websites etc to do it for them.

There are any number of sexual acts that viewing would certainly not arouse me. But it isn't my place to tell anybody else what they should like sexually, they likely think similar of things that turn me on.

The problem here is most porn addicted men who are into weird dangerous shit like anal, choking etc don’t actually ask before doing it to their unsuspecting partner. Then after the event it’s like, so what, it’s normal, everybody does it. Porn gives them the idea that women exist only to be used as pieces of meat whether they want it or not (and they do all want it really don’t they? 🙄

theresabluebirdinmyheart · 02/10/2024 04:40

Emerald95 · 01/10/2024 18:35

Devils advocate, I'd rather a man sexually attracted to female violence stay home him and his hand watching a consensual adult movie than be out trying to fulfil his sick fantasy on an innocent passer by.
Rape has been around since the beginning of time, porn for the last few generations.
There could be arguments that porn allows these 'men' an outlet to stop these 'desires' becoming reality

That would only last so long before stops getting the same buzz from porn and either moves onto child abuse images or seeks out unsuspecting women to act his fantasies out on. Once addiction starts, it’s never enough, they always need more.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/10/2024 07:01

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 01:01

Every young adult? Every single one of them?

The internet has been around for decades already, it's always had questionable content on it. Granted, smartphones are a comparatively recent invention, but children's ability to access the internet didn't just begin in 2014 or so.

There will always be some young people who have absolutely no interest in pornography and pay it no attention. There will always be others who see it, but are perfectly able to discern between fantasy and reality, and others who see it, use porn, but don't share the kinks or indulge in any of the behaviours commonly cited as the most concerning on here.

Sorry, but I simply don't believe its credible to claim that all, or even the majority of young people are destined to grow up addled by porn and have "warped brains" as a result. It sounds no different to the hyperbolic stuff said about "video nasties" in the 80s and 90s, and no doubt complaints about permissive "hippy" cultures and so on.

Young people are not universally gullible. Often impressionable, yes, but even then the majority are perfectly capable of rationalising what they are exposed to.

You sound shockingly naive tbh.

Yes I think they have pretty much all seen it by the time they leave primary school.

theresabluebirdinmyheart · 02/10/2024 07:10

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/10/2024 07:01

You sound shockingly naive tbh.

Yes I think they have pretty much all seen it by the time they leave primary school.

Yes and I don’t think child friendly settings work either as they share it via WhatsApp or just show their friends on their own phone (whose parents haven’t been responsible). It’s everywhere and it’s horrible.
at least back in the day it was only on a laptop or PC, not many kids I knew had their own one in their room but now it’s all right in their hand on phone or tablet, high speed WiFi, any time.

ThisHangryPinkBalonz · 02/10/2024 07:18

Puttheneedleontherackets · 02/10/2024 01:33

I cannot believe some of the comments on here defending it or being blasé. Have you actually seen the shit on Pornhub, even the adverts, the language used, it’s agressive and derogatory and it seems to be getting worse and worse. How this cannot affect people’s minds I’ve no idea. Also, to the people saying there was porn in the 80’s & 90’s, it was NOTHING like now. My Dd is
only still v young, but I’m v scared for her future
I find it very odd the people downplaying it, have you actually looked at it recently, are you men?

Then you obviously aren't comprehending the comments. There is such thing as difference of opinion, those that have "defended" it have stated logical reasoning, those as it doesn't suit yours, people are accused of being men or incapable of understanding.

Maybe reread the comments with less clouded judgement and more unbias.

TheaBrandt · 02/10/2024 07:18

Could be the end of humanity if women vote with their feet and refuse relationships with these porn sick men. Another worry about my dds to add to my ever growing list.

Totally agree that the fact this situation has been allowed to develop is mind blowing,

TheaBrandt · 02/10/2024 07:20

Also if the hate and the language on these sites was directed against another sub set of people there would be an outcry. But against women it’s acceptable? Tells you all you need to know.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/10/2024 07:29

theresabluebirdinmyheart · 02/10/2024 07:10

Yes and I don’t think child friendly settings work either as they share it via WhatsApp or just show their friends on their own phone (whose parents haven’t been responsible). It’s everywhere and it’s horrible.
at least back in the day it was only on a laptop or PC, not many kids I knew had their own one in their room but now it’s all right in their hand on phone or tablet, high speed WiFi, any time.

Exactly. You can be as careful as you like with your own kids, literally all it takes is some horrible little shit in your child's class whose dumbass parents have let them have an unrestricted iPhone and bring it to school, and by the end of break time they'll all have seen it.

Nellodee · 02/10/2024 07:31

People defending the free availability of porn are the equivalent of Americans defending ownership of semi automatic guns, even after school shootings. There are times when societal gains should absolutely trump individual freedoms.

RedHelenB · 02/10/2024 07:35

LondonFox · 30/09/2024 20:21

I am middleaged and we were able to watch zoophilia, beheadings and rape including knife cuts when we were 11.
All of us are married with normql sex lives

This.

Rainallnight · 02/10/2024 07:40

redalex261 · 30/09/2024 18:19

Agree - it’s pretty pervasive. Had to capture my 16yo and her friend in car (trapped!) to tell them I’d had a look on Pornhub and what’s on show there is not what normal sex looks like. Choking, spitting, anal, hair grabbing and other potentially degrading stuff isn’t what you should be expected to be doing. My daughter of course was (as usual) horrified by her mum with no boundaries (admitting to pornhub investigation) ! 🤪 But I got my point across and had a chat with them about boundaries.

I agree with your position but why were you having that conversation with someone else’s child?!

Fluufer · 02/10/2024 08:58

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/10/2024 21:23

The problem is that if 95% of 18 year olds have seen all this disgusting stuff and think it's normal, there won't be any nice boys for our daughters to have their first, safe, respectful, consensual sexual experiences with.

Exactly my point. It's becoming normalised.

Fluufer · 02/10/2024 09:05

It is interesting the biggest defender of porn consumption on this thread is, shockingly, a man.