To think incompetent hypocrite Starmer has lost the respect of the people and his own party in record time?

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An excoriating letter from Rosie Duffield who resigned today..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rosie-duffield-resignation-letter-starmer-labour-b2620603.html#comments-area

Been bad enough for her to resign, I wonder what will happen next. Does she know something we don’t?

Because it was funny to hear that the welfare state is too generous? Which part? Schools, education, emergency services, refuse collection?

Er… no it isn’t!

Oh yes they can! We have the bleak budget, raised taxes and reduced benefits and that encourages international business to come here and feed off us, increasing profits and the GDP.

Tbf state dependency is high but also you seemed to have an issue with the term itself

It can be used for the U.K.

There’s really no sensible comparison, so strange anyone would think there was.

The point has whooshed over your head!

Clearly the best comparison is the UK's IMF bailout in 1976.

I'm not sure why you think that can't happen again or that, if it did, the IMF wouldn't insist upon massive cuts to benefits or the privatisation of things like the NHS.

We'd be there with our begging bowl and in no position to negotiate.

Sure. If you say so

Maybe you were laughing at a reasonable term and we do have high state dependency so the other way you meant it doesn’t work

There’s no definite but yes to this as a comparison

I've never seen anybody, apart from @ChallahPlaiter, try to claim that bin collections, the police and fire service are part of the welfare state.

Now come on, admit it, this post shows you don’t actually know what the term welfare state refers to. Hint - emergency services, bin collections and emergency services do not constitute the welfare state.

Bizarre

Me neither. Trouble is you can't really have sensible discussions about the welfare state anyway as people will be jumping around if someone suggests some people perhaps do get more than is fair, whilst others get much less than they need to stay afloat and there should be some sort of reforms to make it fairer.

If the Welfare State is so all encompassing, perhaps we should throw the Trident nuclear deterrent in there as well?

One can raise various quibbles, but social care and the NHS are certainly and indisputably part of the welfare state.

Social care and the NHS yes, bin collections, police, education just isn’t. The poster has fundamentally misunderstood the very topic they’ve been passionately debating. Awks.

Everybody is equal but some are more equal than others

I haven’t said a bail out can’t happen again, if you read back.

Because you don’t know what a welfare state is doesn’t make me wrong, nor what I have to say risible.

We have a benefits system within a welfare state.

I’m sorry you don’t understand.

You can apologise if you wish but not for my understanding, you seem to be responding to a few posts along the same lines

Right, so where do police and refuse collection belong then @ChallahPlaiter? you said welfare state above. Did you mean to say they’re part of the benefits system? You’ve still misunderstood the basics either way I’m afraid.

It's up to you if you think the welfare state encompasses all public services or not, I'm not really sure of the relevance really when what was being discussed is still just one element of it.

Well no I won’t apologise. If you don’t understand what I mean by the welfare state, why not ask?

I do. A welfare state provides economic and social security, partly through the provision of collectively funded public services.