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To think incompetent hypocrite Starmer has lost the respect of the people and his own party in record time?

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TealTraybake · 28/09/2024 18:52

An excoriating letter from Rosie Duffield who resigned today..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rosie-duffield-resignation-letter-starmer-labour-b2620603.html#comments-area

Been bad enough for her to resign, I wonder what will happen next. Does she know something we don’t?

Rosie Duffield’s resignation letter in full

Rosie Duffield has quit as a Labour MP, attacking Sir Keir Starmer’s “cruel and unnecessary policies” and the freebie row engulfing the party.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rosie-duffield-resignation-letter-starmer-labour-b2620603.html#comments-area

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Rosscameasdoody · 29/09/2024 09:18

pleasehelpwi3 · 28/09/2024 23:02

Seems like MN has turned into the Daily Mail comments section for the day.
Clearly the £22bn black hole left and covered up by the Tories has meant tough decisions, and WFA is one of them. My wealthy parents didn't need it- last year they put it towards business class flights to South America. They don't need it- many pensioners like them don't- but blaming Labour for the Tories' economic fuck up isn't reasonable.
Agreed the clothes thing isn't a good look, but it's nothing like the industrial scale corruption and theft of taxpayers' funds that took place under the last government regarding Covid contracts, and the illegality of Partygate.
As for incompetency, Labour have dealt effectively with far-right rioting and sorted out industrial disputes that they inherited from the Tories. Quite a solid start, given that this country is in a dire state economically. Remember Liz Truss anyone?

I would be more inclined to hold the Tories to account for the ‘black hole’ if we had more tangible evidence that it actually exists. There’s a curious lack of detail around it apart from ‘uncosted plans’. It’s allowed Labour to row back on manifesto spending and I suspect, to bring forward many other measures they had always intended to introduce later on, with the perfect excuse. WFA cut ? Blame the Tories. Savage budget making us all poorer and cutting support to the sick and disabled ? Blame the Tories. And on and on

The WFA needed to be means tested out of the hands of people like your wealthy parents, but lazy means testing at pension credit level supporting those on the bones of their arses isn’t the way to do it.

Starmers’ clothing, and glasses, and private sports box, and Taylor Swift tickets and various gifts that Reeves didn’t declare, plus giving Lord Ali the run of Downing Street, etc, etc, may not be on the scale of Tory corruption but it’s definitely not a good look when you’re standing on a podium trying to rally the country into years of yet more austerity dressed up as ‘fixing the foundations’ and promising yet more ‘jam tomorrow’. If there’s one thing the people of this country have learned over the last 14 years is that tomorrow never comes.

And I’m astounded that you think Labours’ handling of the riots were anything even approaching effective. The undercurrent of unrest that currently exists won’t be addressed by labelling disenfranchised and disillusioned people as right wing thugs.

SlothOnARope · 29/09/2024 09:20

An incoming government needs to build goodwill. It is pretty impossible to do that from a negative base. Starmer will be gone within the next 2-3 years. Then Labour will infight and will lose the next general election.

Thank you, that thought will get me through the next 2-3 years 😀

But I'm still hoping Rosie Duffield is the first of many, many resignations. I hope more people say enough is enough, accept that true Labour no longer exists, that more comes out about KS not prosecuting certain people and that he ends up out of no. 10 long before 2028.

BIossomtoes · 29/09/2024 09:24

I would be more inclined to hold the tories to account for the ‘black hole’ if we had more tangible evidence that it actually exists.

This accounts for a fair bit of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2npgpz048o

A British Border Force vessel picks up an inflatable dinghy carrying migrants in the English Channel

Home Office criticised for billions of asylum overspending

The Home Office is criticised for submitting spending estimates on asylum it "knows to be insufficient".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2npgpz048o

Coruscations · 29/09/2024 09:28

Anyone who doesn't believe the spending black hole exists is in cloud cuckoo land. We have plenty of evidence of the billions wasted during the pandemic and on ridiculous initiatives like the Rwanda plan, to say nothing of the billions lost because of Brexit and Truss. If you still doubt it, how do you account for all that underspending on health, education, the justice system, prisons, social care etc? If the Tories thought they had a healthy economy at the beginning of this year, do you seriously believe they wouldn't have been throwing money at all those problems to try to improve their electability?

ByMerryKoala · 29/09/2024 09:29

It wasn't so long ago that the true believers were up and down mn with the shame stick demanding that people vote labour or else the vulnerable would perish.

Amazingly, the few who remain, now seem to think that poor pensioners not in receipt of pension credit had it coming and that the two child cap limit was always a good idea and they all have a neighbour on disability benefits who are doing cartwheels around the street while claiming for a bad back.

YesTonightJosephine · 29/09/2024 09:29

TealTraybake · 28/09/2024 19:05

Yes.

From a political blog online..

’I cannot be alone in thinking that Starmer has now succeeded in presenting himself as without a moral compass or any political sense, let alone an understanding of what his Party is supposed to stand for months after an election in which, almost by chance and certainly only because of the absurdity of our electoral system, he won a big majority.

Being prime minister exposed Boris Johnson as the wholly inadequate man he was. It feels very much like it is doing the same thing for Starmer. Except for Starmer, this might actually be worse. Johnson's stupidity might have been an act, but it was well known in advance. Starmer played a safe, sober and sensible card. It's now apparent that he is none of those things but is possessed of poor judgement, vanity and imprudence. The revelation is sudden, shocking, and likely to be deeply damaging.

Starmer has exposed to the electorate just who he is. I get the impression they don't like what they see’ .

Would love to know which Politcal Blog @TealTraybake ... apols if it has already been mentioned and I missed it!

EasternStandard · 29/09/2024 09:30

Coruscations · 29/09/2024 09:28

Anyone who doesn't believe the spending black hole exists is in cloud cuckoo land. We have plenty of evidence of the billions wasted during the pandemic and on ridiculous initiatives like the Rwanda plan, to say nothing of the billions lost because of Brexit and Truss. If you still doubt it, how do you account for all that underspending on health, education, the justice system, prisons, social care etc? If the Tories thought they had a healthy economy at the beginning of this year, do you seriously believe they wouldn't have been throwing money at all those problems to try to improve their electability?

How much for ‘smash the gangs’ which has no hope of working?

Rosscameasdoody · 29/09/2024 09:35

justasking111 · 29/09/2024 09:06

I'm a pensioner so not sure PIP applies. I'm also in Wales so not sure what applies.

I just need to park near the shops because I'm in such pain and can't walk far even with a stick. My scoliosis has finally won now arthritis has set in which was in the consultant reports.

You can’t claim PIP past retirement age but you can make a claim for attendance allowance - disability benefit for those over retirement age. It won’t automatically qualify you for a blue badge because there is no mobility component - it looks at how your disability affects everyday life, to assess your care needs. But if you get an award it will help significantly as supporting evidence for the blue badge application. I would still make a complaint to the LA - they really should have seen you face to face as the amount of pain you are in as well as the distance you can walk/any aids you use are all relevant to the application and can’t be quantified on paper. And asking you to provide a receipt for a walking stick is beyond ludicrous. All you need is for your GP or other healthcare professional involved with you, to confirm that you need to use a walking aid. Please feel free to PM me if you think l can help.

Didimum · 29/09/2024 09:37

PiggyPokkyFool · 28/09/2024 23:43

Are you honestly saying that you believe that if even if all pensioners claimed everything they could that @RickyGervaislovesdogs is correct and most pensioners will still get winter fuel payments i.e they will be claiming pension credit?

No, I’m saying the ones in most need will.

FiveFoxes · 29/09/2024 09:38

@justasking111 Have you looked into Attendance Allowance which is for retired people? There is a massive form for it too, but take it slowly and you'll get through it. Also, it needs to be you on your worst days. This should also help you with a blue badge.

BIossomtoes · 29/09/2024 09:39

ByMerryKoala · 29/09/2024 09:29

It wasn't so long ago that the true believers were up and down mn with the shame stick demanding that people vote labour or else the vulnerable would perish.

Amazingly, the few who remain, now seem to think that poor pensioners not in receipt of pension credit had it coming and that the two child cap limit was always a good idea and they all have a neighbour on disability benefits who are doing cartwheels around the street while claiming for a bad back.

i haven’t seen anyone posting anything close to that parody. I have seen lots of posts supporting means testing WFA at a higher threshold and opposing the two child benefit cap. Your disability example is the territory of benefit bashers who tend to be supporters of right wing parties.

Didimum · 29/09/2024 09:41

PigeonLady · 28/09/2024 23:45

Great so we turned the 22 billion black hole into 50 bill. Great job.

Honestly this is why I am increasingly disparing. Yes everyone is angry. In the last few weeks I have seen this anger in my town increase. It’s almost contagious.

We are averaging about 1 fatality a week (for the past 6 or so weeks) from serious traffic accidents in a town which previously had about 2 or 3 a year.

I had a woman go crazy at me in the street for loading my toddler into a car which meant she had to wait one second on a pavement. Never happened in the half decade I have lived here. My in-law same day had their windscreen smashed whilst driving for absolutely no reason. I can literally hear a street brawl out the window as we speak.

Yet clearly people do have a lot of disposable income still; or we wouldn’t have £10 bottles of olive oil and £5 butters still exponentially rising.

I just did a UC calculation. Turns out we are entitled to £650 a month?! Yet we live reasonably comfortably without claiming. (Albeit can’t afford a pension or savings currently as renovating and paying nursery fees).

My partner and I honestly cannot work out whether we are the richest we know or the poorest. You have some of the country living on normal taxes, some with various tax credits, legacy benefits, some with UC, some with student loan tax, some with pensions, some with pension credit, some with housing benefits, the special tax/ exemption or top up for someone born in 1973 with 4 Siamese cats.

It’s honestly insane. I swear they are doing it on purpose. Divide and conquer. Top some people up, drain others. Confuse the hell out of everyone.

The current Labour government has caused precisely none of these issues.

oddandelsewhere · 29/09/2024 09:42

I' m genuinely mystified about the relationship between Lord Alli and Keir Starmer/ the Labour Party. Has he been giving this sort of support every year since his friend Tony Blair enabled him, or is it new? Does anyone actually know what's going on?

I'm afraid I don't believe the notion that he's just clothing and housing someone else's family in an excess of happy socialism.

ByMerryKoala · 29/09/2024 09:42

BIossomtoes · 29/09/2024 09:39

i haven’t seen anyone posting anything close to that parody. I have seen lots of posts supporting means testing WFA at a higher threshold and opposing the two child benefit cap. Your disability example is the territory of benefit bashers who tend to be supporters of right wing parties.

Then you seem to be tactically myopic.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 29/09/2024 09:42

I can’t get worked up about the WFA. Should the threshold be higher - yes. Should they wait until next year once the pension goes up to cover it - also yes. But I can’t get overly bothered about it when the poor have got poorer for years under successive Tory governments, but now it’s hitting pensioners people are up in arms?

AgnesX · 29/09/2024 09:44

YABU to think that anyone has any respect for any politician.

Labour have a shit show to clean up with limited options. There seems to be very little difference between the parties these days. Only the asinine whining.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/09/2024 09:45

Didimum · 29/09/2024 09:37

No, I’m saying the ones in most need will.

No they won’t. If you’re even 50p above the ludicrously low threshold you won’t qualify and will lose out on £200-£300 worth of support. £218.15 a week dosn’t make a wealthy pensioner. Reeves knew exactly what she was doing by tying WFP to pension credit. They were braced for a backlash from the start.

EasternStandard · 29/09/2024 09:45

ThatsNotMyTeen · 29/09/2024 09:42

I can’t get worked up about the WFA. Should the threshold be higher - yes. Should they wait until next year once the pension goes up to cover it - also yes. But I can’t get overly bothered about it when the poor have got poorer for years under successive Tory governments, but now it’s hitting pensioners people are up in arms?

Of course you can’t it’s only pensioners

Read Age UK on this

BIossomtoes · 29/09/2024 09:45

ByMerryKoala · 29/09/2024 09:42

Then you seem to be tactically myopic.

No, you’re being tactically parodic.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 29/09/2024 09:46

As for the 2 child cap - do people honestly think Labour can instantly reverse in 3 months every measure brought in under 14 years of Tories?

Didimum · 29/09/2024 09:46

justasking111 · 28/09/2024 23:52

I'm trying to get a blue badge, very long form. Had to provide my head and shoulders photo, copies of correspondence from the consultant answer lots of intrusive questions twice for some reason.

They responded saying that I had to get two GP reports to corroborate the information from the consultant. And did I have more recent correspondence from the consultant.

I'm still waiting for the GP reports and my application has timed out. 14 day window.

OH also when I said that I used a walking stick, they wanted a copy of the receipt from where I purchased it, or a photograph of me using it.

How far could I walk?

I dread to think how difficult it is to apply for any benefit. Although down at a pub in Liverpool I'm reliably told for a pie and a pint there's an expert who can complete any government form successfully.

That’s an issue with your local council – not central government.

ByMerryKoala · 29/09/2024 09:47

EasternStandard · 29/09/2024 09:45

Of course you can’t it’s only pensioners

Read Age UK on this

Labour were under the impression that 4000 pensioners would die had the Tories implemented this policy in 2017 - back when gas didn't cost half of what it does per kwh now. But apparently labour posters aren't too bothered.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/09/2024 09:49

ThatsNotMyTeen · 29/09/2024 09:42

I can’t get worked up about the WFA. Should the threshold be higher - yes. Should they wait until next year once the pension goes up to cover it - also yes. But I can’t get overly bothered about it when the poor have got poorer for years under successive Tory governments, but now it’s hitting pensioners people are up in arms?

You’d think differently if it meant the difference between heating and eating. Don’t worry, l suspect that come October you’ll have plenty to get worked up about as the hits get closer to home.

Greenkindness · 29/09/2024 09:49

The Tories handed out million pound contracts to their families, friends or donors. During Covid this happened often for no discernible return, for PPE etc. Hundreds of millions wasted on the Rwanda scheme. Rishi and his private helicopters. Boris and his decor. Zahawi and his stables. Partying in No. 10. Raab couldn’t leave his sun longer. This is just off the top of my head. Badly handled Brexit costing millions, and that’s on/going.

There’s sewage in our waterways. There’s families who’ve been living in mouldy houses. So much wrong with the country.

Whatever your view of Starmer, the Tories were awful.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 29/09/2024 09:52

Labour were under the impression that 4000 pensioners would die had the Tories implemented this policy in 2017

To be accurate, that estimate was from removing the WFA altogether. I assume labour would argue that those 4,000 deaths would come from the very poorest, and that as those people are still going to receive it, the estimate isn't applicable.

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