Just Stop Oil - I couldn't care less

[savannahowl]

Those protestors actually make me feel even less bothered by climate change. I genuinely don't give a shit anymore.

Have they managed to convince anyone?

Most people I know do this already. Cutting back on fossil fuel use, limiting or avoiding air travel, rejecting single use plastic, adding insulation to homes, recycling and all the rest of it. To echo your way of expressing yourself, WE ALL know we have responsibility to do what we can. Some twat lying in the middle of the road doesn't make an iota of difference, except to piss people off. Not very clever on winning over hearts and minds are they?

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The most ridiculous thing they did was to climb on the roof of a Docklands Light railway train. For starters they prevented people getting to work and secondly the DLR is powered by electricity! Unless we walk everywhere travelling by train has to be the best way.

Well populations will decline because climate change will lead to people dying.

Its a self fixing problem and was ever thus. The earth can only support so many of each species at certain points and thats ok.

Unfortunately worthy make do and mend actions make little difference while environmental destruction and pollution on an industrial scale goes unchecked, let’s lap up the manipulation of the narrative into if ‘everyone does their bit and recycles their jam jars, everything will be ok’ since it allows mumsnetters to enjoy their 2 minutes hate.

Regardless of that, my point still stands. Whatever JSO do or don’t do, we still ALL have a responsibility, don’t we?

I made no comment on JSOs actions if you look at what I’ve said.

Thank goodness you came along to tell us. None of us had any idea before.

Generations down the line will either figure it out, or not.

I find it very depressing (and stupid) that people get angry about protesters disrupting their lives and that they’re stopping relatives from getting to appointments etc.

But have no care for future relatives. Either you care about your relatives or you don’t.

As for this argument, words fail me for how nasty it is.

I respect anyone who takes action for what they believe in, than someone who thinks anything anyone (myself included) has written on this thread makes any difference to anything. It’ll all be forgotten within 5 seconds of Netflix going on.

Just preaching. As if we're all idiots and you are the only one who knows what's needed. Patronising, much?

Hm. I'd say that, as a founder member of movements which have made considerable impact on green policy and investment, as well as influencing public opinion in favour of government action to reduction of carbon emissions, his research has proved pretty accurate. Going to jail has always been part of the plan; that tends to be where most influential leaders of movements end up at one point or another, generally appearing on 'the right side of history' in the end.

generally appearing on 'the right side of history' in the end.

I literally know no-one, not one single person, who doesn't think steps need to be taken to reverse or control climate change. Your fella isn't a great revolutionary thinker, he's a soup chucking knob.

What credibility would they have for throwing soup over a VanGogh painting in the name of climate change, then jumping on a plane to said brothers destination wedding in Rome or the Maldives?

No credibility. About as relevant as them not bothering to protest in China.

So? My point is that telling them to stop protesting and do something to fix the problem is irrational. The problem is ‘us all in the richer nations’. Every. Single. One of us. You, me, everyone on this thread. There is no white knight coming to rescue us. Keeping our eyes closed and fingers crossed is not going to work. To say JSO makes the OP care less about it is just so irrational.

I do not support JSOs actions but I do support the need for urgent action. This is about longer term climate change but also THIS generation is facing an immediate problem about supply. Fossil fuels are becoming harder and harder to extract, to the point where cost wise it isn’t worth it. Plus most of the current supply is controlled by global players who will likely screw us out of every penny, before at some point shutting down and keeping the remainder to themselves. This isn’t speculation. Oil reserves will run out in the 2050s, Coal is the 2070s I think. Here we are, still driving our private cars everywhere, taking flights on holiday. Even our electricity generation is partly fuelled by fossil fuels. We have our heads firmly stuck in the sand. Governments across Europe are backing away from action because it’s deeply unpopular. If we dont reappraise our personal energy usage, if governments don’t fully invest in renewables, most people currently under the age 55 in this country will be directly impacted

To add, the level of media and harsh legal action against them suggests, to me, the people in power, really don’t like what they’re doing. Hmm, I wonder why? Must be because of the tangential and overblown risk to ambulances, right? Or could it be because if people actually wake up to what action is really needed it would force a rethink of the entire structure of society and the economy and they rely on the masses apathy and love for the status quo, that also happens to make them (and not us) tonnes of money?

Unfortunately, I do not feel anywhere near as passionate about it as JSO protesters. Every time I hear about them I think they’re the ones who are actually aware of what’s really going on and have a clearer perspective than the rest of us.

The planet will recover in time. Once humans have been made pretty much extinct. This is a good thing, we've had our time.

Can you give specific examples of policy and investment that has directly resulted from JSO's influence?

Ok. If that’s how you’ve read it fine. I’m not fussed how you view me or my post. But my point still stands. Suggesting that JSO should put their efforts into ‘solving the problem’ instead, is nonsensical. There is no ‘solution’. Other than us all cutting consumption of things that use fossil fuels. It’s everybody’s responsibility. That’s my point. I stand by it.

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That’s a nihilistic but realistic view. I guess it’s up to us whether we want to die out or not, and whether we are happy for all that human suffering (that is already happening btw) to continue and worsen, because we want to lie on a plastic sun bed in the Costa-del-somewhere once a year. I guess the harsh reality, however, is that those who will be (and are being) hit first and worst are those that have contributed to the problem the least.