Just Stop Oil - I couldn't care less

[savannahowl]

Those protestors actually make me feel even less bothered by climate change. I genuinely don't give a shit anymore.

Have they managed to convince anyone?

Regarding switching to 'clean' energy sources - I'd have a lot more respect for environmental campaigners if they less ideologically opposed to nuclear power. It's clean and if done properly, cheap. Far more long term waste has been created by fossil fuels than nuclear, and way more deaths. And heat pumps are just not going to work in old housing stock - I predict any phasing out of gas boilers will be cancelled, it's totally not feasible.

They've been punished far more than the disgustingly ignorant racist rioters over the summer have.

The JTO protesters are trying to prevent global catastrophe... the racist thugs were just beating up innocent people and burning down buildings with people inside them.

I know who bugs me more!

Selfish fuckers.

So fuck it then, let's stick our heads in the sand @TempestTost ?

We really must question whom it serves to paint climate activism in a light of insincerity, hypocricy and privilege. Why is it so juicy to imagine all protesters as pampered Portias who lack substance and integrity? Could it be that what is portrayed through our media is somewhat skewed and not actually representative? It makes fantastic click-bait after all, and conveniently allows us to think of those protesting climate issues as somehow 'other' than ourselves.

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I’ll admit I don’t really understand those who are so opposed to their methods. Protests aren’t meant to be neat or convenient. Surely their long-term goals are more important than the material things they ruin on the way?

Not when they block motorways and stop people getting to hospital, emergency vehicles coming through, make people miss really significant events. I worry they will kill someone.

@Snugglemonkey 100,s and 1000's of people WILL die from climate change. Why aren't you worried about that?

@Puzzledandpissedoff I'm so sorry that happened to you.

@GoldLameDarling Why does the potential future situation justify doing things that kill or seriously harm people now? (I posted upthread some examples of the deaths and harm caused). There's simply no moral justification ever.

Also although the soup throwing isn't violence like the road blocking was, I don't get how it helps. It's actually unenvironmentally friendly, because it's wasting food.

I've said previously on this thread it would be better if they instead spent their time and money on positive and constructive things instead (I made a few suggestions of what they could do).

No one has said that.

Pointing out that there are serious and difficult problems is not people sticking their heads in the sand, it's the opposite.

People pretending it's all clear what needs to happen and ignoring the problems with no evident way forward - that is very much sticking their head in the sand.

I am. But I still don't see the need to start killing people off early.

I'm honestly wondering why some people on this thread are quite so irked by the JSO protests..... arguably they here are mired in despicable humans (Netanyahu, Putin, Trump, Rupert Murdoch... why do some folk trying to make a perfectly valid point (albeit through questionable means) inspire quite so much hate?

I don't understand your reply@GoldLameDarling

Perhaps I've misunderstood, but are you accusing the many posters on here, including me, who are concerned about the environment - and do what we can (without harming or antagonising others) of being "despicable humans"?

because some of there methods risk the deaths of others when they block roads etc

Well said.
As someone with 40 yrs working in environmental management and sustainability I don't need JSO to tell me about the seriousness of climate change and tbe urgency of taking actikn, but their tactics have definitely allowed others to disengage with this most inconvenient of subjects - just read this thread!
And in answer to a previous PP, no we're not talking about many generations ino the future.

No hate, but yes, irked as you say earlier in your post.

Nor mired in ‘despicable’ humans, although I do question your grouping of Murdoch with Putin, and will otherwise ignore your Netanyahu inclusion.

But, back to the thread - JSO are a rabble rousing fake-intellectual collective who simply target the wrong people and are ignorant to the disruption they cause.

As for throwing liquids at priceless paintings, please.

The y are throwing at the plastic cases around irreplaceable paintings - not causing damage just drawing attention

Oh ok - that’s all right then.

Wait, it really isn’t.

Fucking morons.

Not gonna do most of this. The UK is only 1% of emissions. I like flying to go on holiday. Definitely won't reduce consumption at all.

Why have you resurrected a year old thread?

Zombie thread.

And the industrial revolution led to the quality of life improving in the UK and led to poverty falling.

If the UK immediately hit net zero tomorrow nothing would change globally. Green house gases are well mixed, our impact is near 0.

Holidays are fun. I took many holidays this year. Flew to India, the US and also had a nice short haul flight to Vienna in the summer.

If an industry uses renewable energy or low carbon fuel I'm happy about it. I'm not gonna reduce my consumption because I might emit slightly less CO2.

I was just going to say exactly this!

They are counter-productive. And so is/was Extinction Rebellion. My very environmentally-aware daughter definitely thought they were secretly subverting the message and alienating people.

We are a very aware family (hardly fly, hardly drive, recycle till we’re blue in the face, not really big ‘consumers’, shop locally…etc etc) but I think these protesters are a lot of attention-seeking virtue-signallers who actually harm the cause.