Just Stop Oil - I couldn't care less

[savannahowl]

Those protestors actually make me feel even less bothered by climate change. I genuinely don't give a shit anymore.

Have they managed to convince anyone?

Not if I take them by car. Which I do. It's quicker to do that.

Exactly

Tell politicians that you care about green legislation. We can change this but we need to prioritise it. Now.

There won't be homes, schools, work, hospitals if it's all wiped out by a huge hurricane will there.

People will be competing for resources like water. It's fucking scary and we need to act now.

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lol🤣🤣 I was thinking “toasters” is that a new thing the kids are saying🤣🤣

why aren’t the net zero doomsters doing anything to stop our prime farmland being swallowed up by non recyclable Chinese made solar panels, or stopping councils and corporations from spraying and chopping down trees.

What good does caring about climate change do though? Really?

It has to be joined to action, of course. I do think that if we all did whatever we can (which, admittedly, for some isn't much, as it requires energy, time and resources), we could make a difference.

All the ones I know are doing those things to, where necessary.

People won't genuinely care until it starts to affect them directly such as severe water shortages, and extreme heat .

I still try to do "my bit" @Chipsintheair. Just in case. But on a wider scale it seems like a lost cause for the average individual at the moment.

Most of social media seems to be about saying "I'm marvellous and you're shit". And this topic doesn't seem to be an exception in that regard 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yes i agree it's the human condition @Fengipack

True, there needs to be more understanding. Where I live it's easy to get around without a car and we have recycling and composting collections, for example. But it's very difficult here to shop for locally-grown produce.

Plenty of people live in areas where driving is a necessity and there are few recycling options.

Many are struggling with immediate worries about food banks, so can't focus on other issues.

We need to understand and support one another rather than blame.

(Having said that, a minority of more powerful people really don't care and are causing more emissions than the rest put together! )

No it hasn’t. People were talking about climate change anyway. Ed Miliband (the Energy Secretary) has been talking about it for decades.

All this lot have achieved is some anti-protest laws.

My smartphone is six years old and still in good nick (credit to Sony for producing good quality products). Modern life needs them.

I'd be more concerned about car use if I were you. The embodied emissions of a car when it rolls off of the production line are 5-6tonnes. That's before you even put any fuel in it or consider the land use and noise pollution of the things. The more people who sell their cars and cycle to work/school/the shops the better.

No-one said you couldn't

I’m waiting for the ‘but my child can’t get to a hospital’ people to explain why it’s ok for their future relatives to not be able to access hospitals due to climate change.

People have already answered your question. There won't be any future generations needing to get to hospital - if the current generation are killed by being prevented from getting to hospital.

I'm still waiting for one of the "it's ok to stop other people including children getting to hospital" posters to answer a question that's been asked several times.

How does stopping vulnerable people get to hospital stop climate change? (Especially when it actually is very unenvironmentally friendly to delay traffic causing extra pollution).

Why aren't JSO practicing what they preach? Why are they still using anything made with oil?

Why do some of them go on long haul flight holidays but want to block airports to stop other people have their once a year holiday?

Why aren't they doing something constructive and positive (I made some suggestions upthread) instead of causing harm, distress, and antagonising people?

If some JS protester stopped my seriously ill child from getting to hospital, I would drag them out the road or run over/round them.

I actually cared about environmental issues until JSO, now I would be ashamed to be associated with them. I do my own wee bit. Which is probably nothing in the grand scheme, but Atleast I’m not denying ill people hospital treatment.

I guess if you don’t do anything about it then it doesn’t do any good. I think just avoiding ‘nay saying’ is something. I think anyone that posts things about not caring, or doing whatever they want or denying the science are actually doing harm. So anyone that does that, can just stop and that will help. Talking about it is good. Signing related petitions and letting your MP know it’s matters to you helps. And then cutting consumption.

Ok. So, regardless of the rights or wrongs of JSOs actions;

1: threatening violence is pretty vile no matter how you feel.
2: you know that there are lots of organisations campaigning about climate change? WWF, RSPB, National Trust, Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, etc etc.
3: if you don’t care about climate breakdown as a reaction to one group whose actions you don’t like then that’s simply illogical.

threatening violence is pretty vile no matter how you feel.

I agree. Violence is wrong. Including stopping ill people getting hospital - which is a violent act.

I don’t condone violence except in self defence.

Oh God, please confirm you aren't suggesting that preventing a person from getting to hospital is an act of self defense?

Just stop oil?

Just stop wasting everyone’s fucking time.

Utter wankers.

What? How did you get to that from what I’ve written? 😂

I was just saying that violence is never an acceptable thing apart from reasonable force in self defence.

I haven’t shared an opinion on JSOs tactics.

How many Mumsnet posts were there talking about climate change?