Just Stop Oil - I couldn't care less

[savannahowl]

Those protestors actually make me feel even less bothered by climate change. I genuinely don't give a shit anymore.

Have they managed to convince anyone?

My mistake. I thought you were one of those who'd build some kind of moral forcefield by suggesting the people killed as a result of jso protests were necessary collateral damage in the defense of the human race.😁

How many people are killed in JSO protests? How are they killed?

I've only heard of claims about them delaying ambulances, but the ambulance service denied those rumours.

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/mum-left-paralysed-after-insulate-21614334

https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/21/furious-mum-shouts-my-baby-needs-to-go-to-hospital-at-just-stop-oil-activists-19168421/

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/just-stop-oil-waterloo-bridge-protest-shut-down-paramedic-emergency-blocked/

https://metro.co.uk/2022/10/21/just-stop-oil-accused-of-having-blood-on-their-hands-after-m20-crash-17610976/

That's awful.

I think the freedom of information request was about the M20 one, where the ambulance services denied they were delayed by protests, but I've not seen anything to counter the other claims.

It really is appalling, completely counterproductive also, because it means people who might otherwise support their aims are turning away.

Someone who was on here decades ago will have to answer that.

No one however saw someone chucking tomato soup about and said "you know what, I didn't give a shit about the planet before but now I'm going to". Scientists are the ones who have influenced government policy, and engineers are designing the solutions. A music student (talented in her field I'm sure) and a professional nuisance (Hallam certainly succeeds at being a that) haven't and aren't going to change the world by blocking roads in orange.

could we ban just stop oil from using planes etc and see how fast they alter their views ?

Huh?! Why would that make them alter their views?

I’m not commenting on whether or not their actions are right, but my understanding is that they want us to phase out and stop new oil production so that we can reduce our carbon footprint, reduce our emissions and try and minimise the worst impacts of climate breakdown?

We are already seeing more frequent and extreme weather events that are killing people, causing suffering, making food and water harder to grow/capture. Mortality and morbidity caused by climate change has already increased in the U.K. In some parts of the world areas are already becoming uninhabitable causing mass migration.

Food and water scarcity will lead to competition for resources and more war.

I really don’t think much would change their minds. Nor should they.

They are right. Whatever we feel about their actions, the fact that climate breakdown is happening and we have to act faster if we wish to avoid the very worst impacts is just fact.

We might not like their actions but their view is right and unlikely to change shirt if some sort of miracle.

if they "want us to phase out and stop new oil production so that we can reduce our carbon footprint, reduce our emissions and try and minimise the worst impacts of climate breakdown" then they can lead the way by not using oil based products or inventions using oil, such as cars, planes etc or i forgot they still want to go abroad or do x y z etc

besides i want just stop oil to do what they preach and not be hypocrite's

@SodaFountainMountain i think @Yamantau makes such a good point, they have to be the first to completely reject modern conveniences that they enjoy and add to pollution etc, such as flights, nobody can respect their opinions if they are still enjoying the things that they want everyone else to give up. There are celebs that lecture us on climate change but still charter jets and yachts, politicians get chauffeured in their own private cars to attend conferences, but yet we are the ones who get the Paddington bear stare from people on this thread saying ‘don’t you understand, we have to change!’ when all these other assholes won’t lead the way!

very true points and better put than me,

With respect, you sound mad.

I would support JSO if they actually targeting the actual folk destroying the world.

ffs, me, Joan next door and wee Jimmy down the road aren’t responsible. But it’s ours lives they are inconveniencing.

target the culprits.

it could be concluded that its like the group are using the public as a political football

I'll leave lobbying the MPs to people who have room in their life for that sort of thing. My life is complicated and I don't have the energy to worry about things I don't believe I can control. I sometimes barely have the energy for what I have to find the energy for each day. I do think that humans will have had their day sometime, and I'm more than happy with the contribution I make with rewilding and caring for wildlife. I probably naturally do more than many who claim to care so very much. I've probably planted more trees on my property this last month than many will in a lifetime. It's small but makes a difference.

I'm already doing most of those (I'll leave #1 to those who want to). I don't use dairy and eat very little meat anyway. The only one I'd fall down on is using the car, but I'm not changing that one. My DH flies for work a lot and he's been told my opinion on what they should be doing instead.

Exactly this. Me, with my small footprint, needs to change. But not those with private jets and the like? It makes anything I can do feel dwarfed to me.

The Suffragettes actively protested from 1903 to 1914. The equal franchise act was in 1928. The case that equality was won by the militants is not a strong one.

Are you saying that the sooner JSO disband, the sooner politicians will do something? I can see the reasoning, politicians don't want to be seen giving in to "mob rule". JSO had better disband post haste.

It always turns people off to have idiots preach at them. Maybe part of that is the assumption such people have that they have some higher moral insight.

Groups like this, even when they are overall correctly identifying a problem, almost always have really reductionist or simplistic attitudes to solutions, apportioning blame, and how the problem could be fixed.

Also, it's commonly possible to see they don't actually live in a way that would address the issue, which is also a piss off.

My point still stands. You can absolutely believe they should practice what they preach and lead by example, but banning them from using planes won’t make them ‘change their mind’ on climate breakdown because it’s fact, it’s here, and it’s devastating. It’s not a philosophy, belief or religion etc.

Everyone is a hypocrite in some way. It’s just human. You can want them to be all you like, it doesn’t change the facts.

That may be true but the point I’m making is that;

1. forcing them to do so won’t ‘change their mind’ on climate breakdown because it’s fact.
2. them possibly bring hypocrites doesn’t invalidate their message because their message is fact.

Im not commenting on the usefulness or efficacy of their approach. Im not commenting on the rights or wrongs of their tactics, but what they are saying is true. There is no no denying it.

From Google : Is global warming real? Scientific consensus is overwhelming: The planet is getting warmer, and humans are behind it.

So a belief and basically echoes galilees time when the presumption of the day was the earth was the centre of the universe.

even if true, then if they want the public to listen, then they should begin leading by examples