Just Stop Oil - I couldn't care less

[savannahowl]

Those protestors actually make me feel even less bothered by climate change. I genuinely don't give a shit anymore.

Have they managed to convince anyone?

That is written without any respect.

Please clarify what exactly I have written that isn’t the case.

With respect, you sound like you are trying to get a rise out of me.

It's a credibility thing. I'm more likely to give an ear to someone who lives what they preach than someone who preaches one thing and does another.

I've always found that hypocrisy does invalidate a message. If the person pushing ideas can't be bothered living their own message, what does it say about how serious they actually are about it? Someone who says planes are bad for the environment then jumps on one doesn't come across as too concerned really.

excatly, they cannot expect the rest of the public not to use planes etc while they jolly off to which ever part of the world they want

You are partly responsible. We all are. Me too. JSO protestors too. Here in the U.K. and other countries (the richer nations) are disproportionately using carbon and poorer nations are the often the ones being hit first and worst.

Some of us are trying to minimise our part in it, influence government or whatever we can do, some of us aren’t.

I'm not commenting on JSOs tactics and the rights and wrongs of it, but their message is correct. Other organisations are saying the same things in different ways. Because it’s fact.

Climate breakdown is happening at a faster rate than predicted and this is already causing more extreme weather events globally.

More unpredictable weather makes it harder to grow food (already happening), more of the earth will become uninhabitable (already happening) and there will be more competition over resources, more climate caused migration, instability and war.

Here in the U.K. climate caused mortality and morbidity has increased and will keep increasing.

This process is already happening, just read the news (although if you read the DM they don’t tend to report on it much).

If you are being inconvenienced by JSO protests all the time then I can understand your frustration, of course. It must be so annoying. It doesn’t change the fact that what they are saying is true, however.

Unless we quickly phase out the use of fossil fuels the effects of climate breakdown will just get worse. We will reach tipping points after which we will no longer have any ability to change things.

Fair enough. I wasn’t suggesting you should. It’s up to each of us what we can do and what we can’t. There are times I have more motivation and times I have less. There are lots of things I do and still more that I could - but I’m human and have my limits too.

Everything you do counts though. It’s everybody doing the small things that will make a difference.

Sorry to hear your life is complicated but glad you have nature around you.

I might be able to get behind JSO if they start blocking the driveways of politicians and the CEOs of the companies causing the most pollution. Target things where a real difference can be made instead of turning people off.

I would be quite happy to stop fossil fuels tomorrow, even if it meant everyone giving up cars (and I don't believe electric cars are environmentally friendly either). Humans would benefit greatly from much simpler, more local lives. We should be rising and going to sleep with the sun instead of using electricity to create lighting. Mobile phones and computers and things - don't need to exist. The world managed without them. Pull weeds by hand - none of the sprays that damage the soil. I can only see these things as positive change. I don't think anyone would buy into it because most people like their lifestyles and it would be harder work and more limiting.

Unless we do something radical like that, I think we won't stop the tide. I can accept that humans won't be part of this planet forever.

The planet will be fine, the climate has changed many times over it's lifespan. Not an issue for the Earth at all.

Sounds like you are doing loads. I think we can only do what we can do and for each of us that will look slightly different.

Like someone who flies five times a year for a holiday, could cut down to twice and that’s a massive reduction in their carbon footprint. Someone who never flies but eats meat three times a day could cut it out for one meal a day. It all helps to reduce our combined carbon output. For someone who didn’t believe it was real because of all the oil company shenanigans but is now better informed, then just admitting that out loud to people is something, it gives others the opportunity to say the same and make changes.

I mean none of us are going to be living off our own land in a truly self sufficient way. Very few people in the UK are in a position to get even close to that.

excatly everyone doing the small things that add up, eg like just stop oil not using planes etc

After some more research:

At the heart of the climate change discourse lies the question of scientific consensus. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and numerous reputable climate scientists agree that human activities—chiefly the burning of fossil fuels—have led to a significant increase in greenhouse gas emissions, contributing to global warming and subsequent environmental changes. This consensus is based on decades of research, data collection, and modelling that reveal trends in rising global temperatures, shrinking ice caps, sea-level rise, and increased frequency of extreme weather events.

However, it is important to recognize that science, by its nature, is always open to new data, re-evaluation, and debate. Although the consensus on human-driven climate change is strong, there remain debates within the scientific community about the specific pace, scale, and regional variability of climate impacts. This uncertainty has been used by climate sceptic's to argue against the notion that "climate breakdown" is a simple, uncontested fact. Moreover, while data indicates concerning trends, climate models operate within probabilities and projections, not certainties.

While the overwhelming evidence supports climate change, dissenting views emphasize the importance of open scientific discourse, stressing that alarmist language such as "climate breakdown" could stifle critical dialogue and promote a single narrative that may not account for regional variations and socio-political contexts.

The earth will be fine. Uninhabitable for humans. But fine. I guess it’s whether we try and keep it habitable.

The earths climate has changed many times before. That is true. However, currently, human activity is causing climate breakdown and at a faster rate than predicted.

Thanks for that. I do believe it’s better to err on the side of caution and go with the ‘overwhelming’ evidence.

We could keep our fingers crossed that the small amount of uncertainty is actually the truth of it.

However, if my roof is about to cave in and all the builders in the town bar one tell me I’ve got about a year to fix it, I am seeing bits falling off it with my own eyes but I really don’t want to spend the money, what’s my most sensible course of action?

Leave it and hope that the one builder who said it’s fine is right?
Do a half hearted measure and put a tarp over the gap and buckets to catch the drips?
Or go with the consensus, pay to fix the roof so I have more chance of many more years being able to enjoy a warm dry house?

Yes, it still won't be a problem for the planet, though, however fast it happens
Edited to say to this is a reply to @SodaFountainMountain response to my previous post

I’m not commenting on what JSO do or don’t do and the rights or wrongs of that.

Nope. The planet will be fine. It will
keep on keeping on. It will just become more and more uninhabitable for us.

by the same argument Galileo would of been wrong yet was proven correct

just because many believe does not make them correct

and if the cost of humanity expanding to the stars and the wider galaxy is earth via speeding up development of tech etc to create earths space colonies etc, then its a small price to pay

Regardless of your opinion on the science underpinning climate change, the current ridiculous rush for 'net zero' is simply unachievable, and will cause great socioeconomic damage in the process. It is also an absolute fact that we cannot produce so-called 'renewable energy' without the use of fossil fuels. We also have no means to provide back-up energy to the grid to cover the inevitable gaps in wind and solar provision without recourse to fossil fuels.
In addition, the level of mineral mining and processing (which is hugely environmentally damaging and very energy intensive - and, ironically, reliant on fossil fuels) necessary to provide the input materials for batteries for EVs etc is simply unattainable within the target timeframes. Thus the propaganda surrounding net zero is reckless and socioeconomically foolhardy and scientifically illiterate.
To provide one example (many other competent academic critical voices are out there - but tend to be drowned out by the bleating masses) the chap in the presentation below knows the technical aspects of an important component of the 'net zero' energy transition inside out.
As members of a mature democracy, we should be permitted to highlight such information and to challenge, debate and scrutinise openly, without the risk of being shouted down with soundbites!
www.google.com/search?q=mark+mills+energy+delusion&oq=mark+mills+energy+delusion&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIICAEQABgWGB4yBggCEEUYPTIGCAMQRRg9MgYIBBBFGDzSAQg2ODQ2ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:bcdcd12e,vid:sgOEGKDVvsg,st:0

Are you a climate change denier? Lots of climate and environmental scientists believe we have passed a tipping point. Do you know something that they don’t?

You’ve actually been very polite in your responses, so I’m not being snippy at you, just so you know, but this is a huge part of what a many have been saying to you and others on this thread. Many on here have had quite a hysterical and nasty attitude to those of us who say JSO are only pissing us, the public, off, “don’t you understand you idiots, we need to act now” sort of thing, but do you and others really not feel that JSO campaigners, world leaders and politicians REALLY DO have to lead by example, if they want our habits to change.

They need to switch theirs and their own parents heating off, before the likes of me switch my own and my elderly fathers off. They need to go to conferences in hand me down, make do and mend clothes, they need to read by candlelight, they need to stop attending abroad weddings and conferences, they need to live in very small and economical to run homes, don’t use yachts, jets. They have to do all this and more before we ourselves start doing this. They need to fund better transportation for people who start early morning jobs, nurses, cleaners, factory workers people who travel at unsafe times and rely on cars to be safe. I could go on, so we do need to comment on what they do.

@cookiebee no one is saying you need to read by candle light and turn the heating off.

It's about investing in clean fuels so that our heating doesn't increase the emissions of gasses which are causing climate change.
It's about everyone demanding that.

If you look at a chart of climate change over hundreds of years, you can clearly see where it massively rises right after the industrial revolution. This is our doing. We have the power to change it.

And yes you're right, politicians need to be on board. But they only care about votes right? So those of us in democratic countries need to use our voices.

This WILL affect your kids. It's not a theory it's a fact.

"they don’t have the authority..."

Since when did they let that stop them? I'm pretty sure that no one gave them permission to block roads or chuck powder paint around but they did it anyway.

As for the ability, I'm sure that they could manage it if they really wanted. But then why do things properly when it's easier to piss off the proletariat than sort out the elite?

You want to know what is a daft idea? Throwing soup at a painting? Achieves nothing more than creating extra work for some minimum wage cleaner.