Child identifies as a wolf ... WTF?

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Just on Radio 4 now, discussing a child in secondary school who identifies as a wolf, and the school is going along with this. AIBU to think the world (or at least the UK) has gone mad? If said child is living in the woods, catching its own prey etc etc, howling and running with other wolves, which I doubt, then why the hell is anyone going along with it? They are also saying that some others identify as dogs or cats etc. And here was me thinking men 'identifying' as women was bad.

I saw a child on the bus who was dressed partly as a fox and partly as a goth. She spoke to friends in yaps, but seemed quite capable of using a bus pass, using a rucksack, drinking from a water bottle and replying politely to an elderly lady. I wouldn't allow it with a teen; it's either too young for them, or a sign of being mixed up in adult fetishes, or a sign of mental illness.

Therians identify as non-human animals. transgender people identify as a different gender than they were at birth

Thank you for answering.

So, to play this back:

1. The difference between the two is as per your answer
2. The similarity between the two is that both identify as something different from what they are:

• a therian is a human who identifies as a non-human animal
• a transwoman is a man who identifies as a woman (and a transman is a woman who identifies as a man)

In both cases, they may either acknowledge the reality of what they are but wish that they were as per their identity or they may hold a genuine belief that their physical reality is irrelevant and that they are actually what they identify as.

Does that sound like a fair summary?

There is another reason why some people might have a trans identity but I'll post it on a separate comment in case it's not within the guidelines of this board.

Additionally, there are some transwomen who are males pretending to believe that they identify as women so that they can mask their autogynophilia.

Do you mean sex there? No one can know anyone’s gender at birth. What if the baby is agender? Or non binary. How would they know at birth? Are they just assuming the baby’s gender!!!

All transwomen are males pretending to identify as women. They can’t identify as women because they have no idea what being a woman is and in most cases can’t even define a woman.

There are definitely some males who genuinely believe that they have a female "gendered soul".

Just as there are definitely people who believe that it's possible for a virgin to give birth to a child... ~2 billion people worldwide.

Some people genuinely hold beliefs that differ from biological reality.

But there are also several pretenders of both these beliefs.

It becomes a ratio thing: I'm going to assume that most Christians genuinely do believe that Jesus' mum was a virgin and that god was his father. People who hold this belief and people who pretend to hold this belief will talk about miracles, divine intervention etc to explain how it's apparently possible for biological facts to be irrelevant.

I'm not going to comment on the other ratio, except to say that right now anyone who tries to suggest there are bad actors (in any number) risks losing their job and more. People who hold the belief that we all have a gender identity and people who pretend to hold this belief will talk about someone's sex being "assigned at birth", will interchange the words sex and gender etc to explain how it's apparently possible for biological facts to be irrelevant.

im confused as to what you mean. Sex and gender are different. sex is things like chromosomes and things like XX (female sex) XY (male sex) XXX, XXY, XYY (intersex), and hormones, Gender is a social and cultural construct. Your gender can be influenced by social norms, personal or cultural beliefs, and gender expression (clothing, mannerisms, etc). Us trans people are aware that we cannot change our sex. However, we can change our gender. While yes, we don't know if the baby will turn out to be non-binary or agender, we have to let them figure that out. We should let them know we will support them, no matter what. hopefully this makes sense. It does to me, but to some people it doesn't.

The poster stated gender was observiedcat birth. I was pointing out this was not possible and as gender is a load of made up bullshit no one can know anyone’s gender one’s gender at birth.
if trans people know that sex and gender is different, why do they keep wanting to access spaces for the opposite sex? Surely they’d go in the mixed gender single sex bathrooms related to their sex?

I'm still confused as to what you mean. could you explain a little bit more to me to understand?

They do it, because they can! Wolf, would have clothing removed, raw food and be in a cage outside! Assuming they'd need to be treated by a vet too and have all their shots!

Uh huh… no. If you can’t understand words, dictionaries are available. You can do it. I believe in you dude.

im so confused right now what

if trans people know that sex and gender is different, why do they keep wanting to access spaces for the opposite sex? Surely they’d go in the mixed gender single sex bathrooms related to their sex?

That's a great way to put it.

From what I've seen, it's either:

1. they believe they have an internal sense of "gender" that is separate from their sex, they adopt stereotypical clothing generally attributed to the opposite sex (or dress androgynyously if they believe they have a "non-binary" "gender") and they feel awkward in the facilities that are designated for their sex. BUT you'd think they'd want to challenge the idea that we all need to conform to sex-based stereotypes and would campaign for a) inclusive "all gender" acceptance in single-sex facilities or b) additional third spaces, so that they had a choice between single-sex multi-user facilities or private unisex ones.... unless...
2. Their belief isn't actually real, that it's a desire, and what they really want is access to be with members of the opposite sex. This is a great blog, written by a man who recognises why it's not a good idea to act on this desire: https://archive.is/2pQIq

Wolf, would have clothing removed, raw food and be in a cage outside! Assuming they'd need to be treated by a vet too and have all their shots!

Indeed. Maybe anyone who genuinely believes they're a wolf can campaign for such things.

I'm still confused as to what you mean. could you explain a little bit more to me to understand?

If a therian recognises that they are actually human, despite their belief/desire that they are not, they will find their life is healthier and less challenging than if they eat raw meat, get vaccinated by vets and demand that everyone treats them like an actual wolf (or whatever animal they identify as).

If a transperson accepts that their sex is real and immutable, despite their belief/desire that it isn't, they will find their life is healthier and less challenging than if they chop off (or add prosthetic) body parts, put synthetic hormones into their body that impact their endocrine system and demand that everyone treats them like they are the opposite sex (or as if they don't have any sex at all).

Us trans people are aware that we cannot change our sex. However, we can change our gender.

Great! Yes, change your gender in whatever way you like... there are apparently over 100 according to the BBC , so there's bound to be one that fits everyone who identifies as trans.

It's also important to be aware that not everyone believes that we all have a "gender" and because it's a belief, not a fact like sex, it makes no sense to organise society around it e.g. sports participation categories, changing rooms etc. There are even plenty of people who they say that they believe that transwomen are women, acknowledge that they don't really understand this (but want to be supportive re lived experience and believe in kindness to a marginalised few etc) yet still don't want them in women's sports.

My 14 year olds son can't understand why he was put in detention for wearing his "farming boots" instead of his school shoes (and yes he does know he shouldn't) but he could go to school with a tail and fluffy ears with no repercussions. Absolute madness and that's from the mouth if a child!

change your gender in whatever way you like

I should qualify this by saying that firstly, we need to stop confusing children and vulnerable young adults by conflating "gender" (a belief in a gendered soul within each of us) with sex.

Once it's nice and clear, this should limit the number of people getting access to medical interventions for which there is no viable evidence base. At this point, changing gender would be as innocuous as changing your clothes or the way you style your hair.

We can easily recognise this regarding wolf identities but our schools, hospitals and other institutions seem to have got rather lost regarding gender identities.

We can easily recognise this regarding wolf identities..

I spoke too soon!

but he could go to school with a tail and fluffy ears with no repercussions

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YOU GUYS ARE SO STUPID IM A THERIAN AND I IDENTIFY AS A WOLF AND YOU CAN ONLY IDENIFY AS A ANIMAL!!

Little knobhead.

Well, that took a turn 🤣

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@YYURYYUCICYYUR4ME you don't understand what a therian has to go through btw us therians get death therats so keep trash talking us folks!!

Fortunately my granddaughter's school would nip any suggestion of this right in the bud.

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