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Bisexual Awareness Month

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InPulaCuSatelitul · 25/09/2024 21:18

Apparently we’re celebrating this at work, which seems to consist of endless blogs about being bisexual and being “visible.” Fine, no problem with that, but why do I need to know in the workplace? Does it affect how they do their job?

I’m not being goady, I genuinely don’t see why I need to know.

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SwingTheMonkey · 26/09/2024 11:19

Completely unnecessary in the workplace. And what does it mean by ‘visibility’? Are the bisexuals rounded up and clapped through a tunnel of pride flags?

Having worked in lots of offices, I find the idea that bisexuals are regularly told to ‘stop taking about their sex lives’ if they mention going on a date, or being in a relationship or marrying a person of the same sex. In any workplace I’ve been, an employee would find themselves in deep trouble for saying such a thing.

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:20

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:17

When a straight person at work is very visible about their sexuality (eg a man talking freely about their upcoming wedding to a woman) nobody says "I don't need to think about you putting your penis in your wife's vagina, this is a workplace!!"

As if anyone would say that to a gay or bi person talking about their wedding either! But don’t worry, if they did, there are discrimination laws already in place that would mean your workplace would deal with it, or you can take them to court.

Sometimes people will offend you, no one ever promised you a world where it wouldn’t happen, some people are dicks, these events won’t change them, it will just turn others off because they’ll get sick of hearing about it. One month for Pride is already more than enough.

Read some of the posts here. Perhaps nobody would say it that directly (although I assure you plenty would) but the repeated comments about not needing to know what anyone does in the bedroom when related to homosexuality and bisexuality (but not heterosexuality) proves that plenty of people conflate sexuality with sexual acts.

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:21

SwingTheMonkey · 26/09/2024 11:19

Completely unnecessary in the workplace. And what does it mean by ‘visibility’? Are the bisexuals rounded up and clapped through a tunnel of pride flags?

Having worked in lots of offices, I find the idea that bisexuals are regularly told to ‘stop taking about their sex lives’ if they mention going on a date, or being in a relationship or marrying a person of the same sex. In any workplace I’ve been, an employee would find themselves in deep trouble for saying such a thing.

I'm not just talking about people making these comments to someone's face- thinking it privately or saying it to a friend or putting it on a forum is equally biphobic.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/09/2024 11:22

I'm talking about my office, sweetpickle, that is what I have experience of. I accept that my experience at work isn't generic across all workplaces, it can't possibly be.

You're being wilfully rude though so my interest in any sort of discussion on this is done, I'm afraid.

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:22

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:20

Read some of the posts here. Perhaps nobody would say it that directly (although I assure you plenty would) but the repeated comments about not needing to know what anyone does in the bedroom when related to homosexuality and bisexuality (but not heterosexuality) proves that plenty of people conflate sexuality with sexual acts.

Edited

You’re taking a massive leap to suggest that just because people at work don’t want to hear about your sex life, they would make offensive comments to someone getting married to a same sex partner, just because they mentioned their wedding.

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:23

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:21

I'm not just talking about people making these comments to someone's face- thinking it privately or saying it to a friend or putting it on a forum is equally biphobic.

So we want thought control now?! Unbelievable.

capstix · 26/09/2024 11:24

It's pretty cringe but it shouldn't be offensive to you (if it is that's more of a problem). Just put up with it, largely ignore it and let some virtue signaller get away with it to their boss.

MarkingBad · 26/09/2024 11:24

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 10:42

Biphobia is still very prevalent, as evidenced by this thread.

It is biphobic to conflate someone's sexuality purely with what genitals they prefer and what they do in the bedroom. When a straight person at work is very visible about their sexuality (eg a man talking freely about their upcoming wedding to a woman) nobody says "I don't need to think about you putting your penis in your wife's vagina, this is a workplace!!"

Visibility is purely about people feeling free to be who they are at work, whether that's bisexual or a Manchester United fan or into cycling. It's not about shoving anything anyone's face or talking about their sexual preferences in the cafeteria.

To the bisexual people on here who say that biphobia doesn't' exist- I'm glad you've never experienced it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Edited

Only the sickest of minds is considering how a colleague or manager has sex regardless of their sexuality. These days no one gives a flying fuck about someone who goes to dinner/cycling/weddings/family picnics etc with whatever partner as long as they are both consenting adults, happy, and within the law. If the person listening is thinking about genitalia then they have a problem.

People just talk about family life at work. People would have a right to complain if someone starts talking about their sex life whether they are hetero, homo or bi. Many people don't go to work for this, they just want to earn money and go home to their real life, they couldn't give a toss that Brian in facilities is in a throuple with a male and a female partner.

Of those who do care just have their minds in the sewers so who cares what they think?

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:24

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:22

You’re taking a massive leap to suggest that just because people at work don’t want to hear about your sex life, they would make offensive comments to someone getting married to a same sex partner, just because they mentioned their wedding.

That was an example to illustrate a point- one I regret making as it's very easy to target that as incorrect rather than discussing the wider issue!

The point "people at work don't want to hear about your sex life" is something that only seems to be mentioned when someone is talking about being bisexual/homosexual. I don't see anyone saying that when someone is discussing being straight.

Please point me to where I am being rude @LyingWitchInTheWardrobe so I can apologise.

SwingTheMonkey · 26/09/2024 11:25

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:21

I'm not just talking about people making these comments to someone's face- thinking it privately or saying it to a friend or putting it on a forum is equally biphobic.

You can’t police what people think in their heads ffs! And if people are thinking that, a bi visibility month is going to do sod all to change their mind.

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:27

A lot of posts here are just proving my point- of course if someone comes to work openly discussing their sex life that is not appropriate, but nobody is doing that.

People talking about being bisexual at work has nothing to do with the specificities of their sex life, the same way that talking about being heterosexual doesn't. If you believe that talking about being bisexual does, then I'm afraid you are biphobic.

Anyway mumsnet is inherently terrible for biphobia so I don't know why I'm surprised.

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:27

SwingTheMonkey · 26/09/2024 11:25

You can’t police what people think in their heads ffs! And if people are thinking that, a bi visibility month is going to do sod all to change their mind.

I'm not trying to police what people think, just pointing out what thinking that means.

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:28

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:24

That was an example to illustrate a point- one I regret making as it's very easy to target that as incorrect rather than discussing the wider issue!

The point "people at work don't want to hear about your sex life" is something that only seems to be mentioned when someone is talking about being bisexual/homosexual. I don't see anyone saying that when someone is discussing being straight.

Please point me to where I am being rude @LyingWitchInTheWardrobe so I can apologise.

Because there are no month long events for straight people! If we started having them, you might find you would hear exactly the same complaints,

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:29

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:19

Ok, if you don’t believe there can be too much exposure, why do YOU think support for LGB people has declined in recent years?

By the way, there’s no month long celebrations for straight people, so I’m not sure what you mean about no one getting sick of that? Most people are straight, so obviously you will see that represented more, there’s nothing wrong with that.

Life is one long celebration for straight people! There is no need for targeted visibility efforts, it's the accepted cultural norm.

OolongTeaDrinker · 26/09/2024 11:29

Purposefullyporous · 25/09/2024 23:53

Biphobia really is a thing.
There's loads of people who feel it's pure exhibitionism because you could just 'choose to be straight'. Therefore even amongst people who say they are OK with homosexuality you still get biphobia. And of course you get it from everyone homophonic too.
You get people saying it's just hypersexuality and not a real sexual orientation.
You get gay people saying it's disgusting and not really gay and that they'd never date anyone bi. You get straight people saying it's disgusting and that they'd never date anyone bi.
You get flack for saying you are bi because 'no one needs to know that' however if you don't talk about it then people assume you are straight, and act wierd if they somehow find out that you've had same sex relationships because it's a shock to them.
Another facet of it is people saying bi people can't be faithful because they will always be thinking about missing sex with the gender of partner they aren't currently with.

But what’s any of that got to do with the OP’s workplace and people’s ability to do their jobs? Thinking about it I don’t know for sure about a fair few of my colleagues sexual orientation and I honestly couldn’t care less - just as I wouldn’t expect them to give a passing thought to my own.

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:30

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:27

A lot of posts here are just proving my point- of course if someone comes to work openly discussing their sex life that is not appropriate, but nobody is doing that.

People talking about being bisexual at work has nothing to do with the specificities of their sex life, the same way that talking about being heterosexual doesn't. If you believe that talking about being bisexual does, then I'm afraid you are biphobic.

Anyway mumsnet is inherently terrible for biphobia so I don't know why I'm surprised.

Yes yes ,we’re all terribly biphobic, even us bi women, and it’s not that you are maybe just over sensitive.

I assume you’re bi, so can you tell me what biphobia you have experienced in your life, in person?

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:32

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:29

Life is one long celebration for straight people! There is no need for targeted visibility efforts, it's the accepted cultural norm.

Of course it’s the cultural norm, because it’s the majority sexuality, otherwise the human race would have probably died out by now. That’s not a ‘celebration’ though, is it?

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:32

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:30

Yes yes ,we’re all terribly biphobic, even us bi women, and it’s not that you are maybe just over sensitive.

I assume you’re bi, so can you tell me what biphobia you have experienced in your life, in person?

I don't think you need to be bisexual to appreciate that biphobia exists. Same way that you can be white and understand racism exists.

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:34

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:32

Of course it’s the cultural norm, because it’s the majority sexuality, otherwise the human race would have probably died out by now. That’s not a ‘celebration’ though, is it?

Straight couples have been able to get married for over a century. Same-sex marriage has only been legal for 10 years.

If you don't see the difference in how society celebrates and accepts heterosexuality vs any other sexuality then that feels like a you problem.

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:34

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:32

I don't think you need to be bisexual to appreciate that biphobia exists. Same way that you can be white and understand racism exists.

So you’re not even bi, but you think you get to talk over the bi women here?! FFS!! 🤣

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:35

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:34

Straight couples have been able to get married for over a century. Same-sex marriage has only been legal for 10 years.

If you don't see the difference in how society celebrates and accepts heterosexuality vs any other sexuality then that feels like a you problem.

Edited

The point being it is now legal, you can’t change the past.

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:36

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:34

So you’re not even bi, but you think you get to talk over the bi women here?! FFS!! 🤣

I am, as it happens. I just didn't think it was particularly relevant to your question, which I am sure you were only asking to give a goady response whichever way I answered it.

Naunet · 26/09/2024 11:38

sweetpickle2 · 26/09/2024 11:36

I am, as it happens. I just didn't think it was particularly relevant to your question, which I am sure you were only asking to give a goady response whichever way I answered it.

This was the question, it was 100% relevant:

I assume you’re bi, so can you tell me what biphobia you have experienced in your life, in person?

ymemanresu · 26/09/2024 11:40

If a colleague asked about your sex life or made sexual jokes it would be considered harassment if you were offended by it

So why is it ok to make an issue out of it at work? Even if a bi person is totally happy with people knowing, it's no ones business but their own . No one cares anyway, everyone is too wrapped up in their own lives 🤷‍♀️

DoloresHargreeves · 26/09/2024 11:45

ymemanresu · 26/09/2024 11:40

If a colleague asked about your sex life or made sexual jokes it would be considered harassment if you were offended by it

So why is it ok to make an issue out of it at work? Even if a bi person is totally happy with people knowing, it's no ones business but their own . No one cares anyway, everyone is too wrapped up in their own lives 🤷‍♀️

Talking about bisexuality doesn't mean that you talk about your sex life or make sexual jokes. Being bisexual just means that you date men and women, it doesn't have any particular ramifications for how you have sex, and doesn't make you more likely to talk about sex at work. Why don't people understand this?

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