To think that non-binary candidates are more unlikely to be offered a job?

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I have a non-binary child in their twenties and they are really struggling to secure work.

It might be unfair of me, but I really think that in presenting themselves as non-binary, they are going to struggle to be offered a job with the vast majority of employers. Yes this might be pure discrimination but personally I'd be worried about HR issues and getting sued for saying the wrong thing.

AIBU to think that if you have a range of good candidates, you are going to be reluctant to hire a non-binary candidate because of the potential for issues in the office?

Yes, largely. They are quite up front with the NB stuff though, which I think is not helping. As someone else said, I think if it was mentioned AFTER they'd had a job offer, that would be removing a barrier for them.

I am an ethnic minority and my DC have foreign names. We don't state our ethnicity on our Cvs.

People don’t include their ethnicity on a cv.

Why don't they call themself their name like everyone else does?

Absolutely no way would I hire someone who made their identity the forefront of the interview.

I would not be happy if someone turned up and said "hi I am Jack and I'm a Christian" either.

Politics, religion, ideology has no place in work or an interview.

For the record I work in one of the top 20 software companies and I'm on a 6 figure salary. So many people at my level feel the same.

Bored shitless of the self indulgent identity crowd.

Referring to someone as "they" requires mental gymnastics that many companies wouldn't want to subject their staff to, lest half the staff end up in some kind of HR process for not validating someone's gender identity.

I know Queer Theory rejects these horrible heteronormative realities in order to somehow stick it to the man person or whatever, but the reality here is that they/them pronouns are a massive pain in the ova/testes to the rest of us boring binary people.

So on the basis of one person, you are happy to make that sweeping generalisation?

Why would they need to give their pronouns in an interview when people are talking directly to you?

It will really depend on the sector. There would also be a question if they were working with vulnerable clients who might make mistakes eg SN / dementia patients/ children would they recognise that not all clients will remember pronouns.

That's straightforwardly illegal. Do you also refuse to employ other minorities based on vibes?

I think the problem is that most people who 'identify as as' something do make it all about their identity. Otherwise, no one would know.

Politics, religion, ideology has no place in work or an interview.

Absolutely this.

Incorrect. Our staff turnover is so low we’ve had one person leave in three years. Our employees are very happy because we care about the ones we have and want to keep them.

Im not going to throw a bomb into the status quo and hope for the best. As we’ve expanded Ive hired on the basis of skill and how they will fit into the existing team. It’s amazing how much work you get done when there’s no office politics and everyone gets along.

You neatly avoided the question.

I've got to be honest if the first thing someone told me about themselves was their pronouns I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.

any drama that may occur as a result of someone being upset about being misgendered
Those trans women have really shot themselves in their trans feet haven't they 😶

Are they getting interviews?

Presumably their pronouns aren’t on their cv (if they are, take them off - it’s not relevant, just as age and marital status are not relevant). So if they are’t getting interviews, it isn’t that.

If they are getting interviews, are their interview clothes/hair professional-looking? If so, again it’s probably not being NB which is stopping them being appointed. If they don’t look professional, that will be an issue regardless of whether it is due to gender identity or personal style choices.

They present as non-binary by saying "Hello my name is <male name> and my pronouns are 'they/them'" (They are a natal female.)

Well OP, yes. This would make me less likely to hire your child. Why? I couldn't care less how they identify, however, when you introduce yourself like that, it signals something.

Someone mentioned other minorities. Thing is, you'd not say, "Pleased to meet you. My name is John and I'm bisexual". It's a fair comparison given that non binary people insist they're transgender and transgender activists have successfully got themselves on the end of LGB. So, unless the positions specifically require candidates to be trans-identifying, including non-binary, then it's wholly irrelevant to the interview, especially the introduction.

Yeah I'd find that tedious and think they were likely to be a pain in the arse. I'd try not to let it influence my decision but I'm only human.

Anyone with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment, which includes non-binary people, cannot legally be discriminated against on the basis of that characteristic. It's not "political" to be gay or transgender, Anyone who does discriminate on that basis is breaking the law.

Non-binary is not a protected characteristic under the Equality Act so anti-discrimination doesn’t apply

What does it even mean. And what adjustments would an employer be expected to make.

@Dadjoke- pandering and buying into gender ideology is not the same as being ethnic minority. Pretty racist of you to suggest this. There's no 'multiple identities' with being disabled either. Also, as someone in receipt of DLA I would not find it necessary to put on a CV...

Anyone declaring themselves "non binary" is honestly a red flag for a company. They just don't need someone with "issues". HR nightmare

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Some protected characteristics are immediately obvious, some are not. You can generally tell if someone is a member of an ethnic minority or a wheelchair user.

Either way, discrimination on that basis is illegal.