To think that non-binary candidates are more unlikely to be offered a job?

[GinnyPiggie]

I have a non-binary child in their twenties and they are really struggling to secure work.

It might be unfair of me, but I really think that in presenting themselves as non-binary, they are going to struggle to be offered a job with the vast majority of employers. Yes this might be pure discrimination but personally I'd be worried about HR issues and getting sued for saying the wrong thing.

AIBU to think that if you have a range of good candidates, you are going to be reluctant to hire a non-binary candidate because of the potential for issues in the office?

Why would it be illegal? (Or do you mean unlawful?)

Is being non-binary a protected characteristic?

As the courts have held that you can't get a "non-binary" gender recognition certificate, how would it be unlawful to discriminate against a non-recognised gender?

What if your arse identifies as your elbow?

Don’t you have a drop down ‘title’ selection on your online application?

I presume that’s the obvious way people find out.

I'm not sure that giving what the OP has described as a "male name" but being obviously "female" will necessarily solve all problems...

But what if they are actually mentally ill attention seekers and you've all just been sucked into supporting a fallacy?

The difference is women, PoC and disabled people often can't conceal their sex, race or disability while non-binary people and vegans can. Simply by saying " Hi, I'm Kevin" rather than " Hi, I'm Kevin, a non-binary vegan"

Unconscious bias. Most big companies will
ensure all employees have had training and there is a real effort to make sure there isn’t bias. I would ask your child to ask for clear feedback as this might help them understand why they didn’t get hired instead of jumping to a discriminatory conclusion.

What if your arse identifies as your elbow?

🤣

And here is the misogynist Privileged Male to mansplain feminism to us all and explain that women fighting for our human rights is... 'transphobia'. Take your mansplaining smug misogyny elsewhere.

I could not work with someone who corrected me each morning if you said “hi Arthur” instead of “hi Martha”!

its complete bollocks. And that is what you have if you’re arthur and a fanny if you’re martha.

I can’t imagine the toilet issues at work

its fucking ridiculous.

I'd love to say this isn't the issue but sadly I think you are probably right. It's still so "new" in that it's only recently recognised and most of the time it's brought to people's attention that non binary people exist is attached to a negative story so I think the fear of the unknown and lack of understanding is probably at work here.
It's not right, it's not ok, until the world catches up though it might be best for your DC not to be quite as upfront about it. Get a foot in the door and then educate people that actually it's not going to affect them in anyway, they are still a great person capable of doing the job they applied for regardless of how they identify.
I hope your DC has success soon

That individual is a straight woman
I have no idea why it has to be made so complicated

Luckily in the real world they aren’t that prevalent, but in the bubble of Mumsnet and Twitter they feel prevalent. I normally avoid threads like this for my own sanity due to the levels of bigotry and hate.

To be honest anyone approaching me and saying they are non-binary is advertising that they are possibly autistic, definitely a bit hard of thinking and probably somewhat narcissistic. Depending on the role an employer might understandably be wary of employing them.

Yes, it's unlawful, under the 2010 EQA.

Yes, being non-binary it is protected under gender reassigment. It's established case law. See up thread.

You don't need a GRC to have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. Gender fluid an non-binary people come under this category.

Realistically, the chance of anyone being prosecuted for not employing someone with a protected characteristic is very low.

Isn't it great us women have @DadJoke to warn us about the awful seeping feminists trying to lure us into being bigots 😂

Would you say that about gay people?

I certainly wouldn't employ you @DadJoke

You're the resident MN tedious misogynistic mansplainer. Your MRA anti-woman pomposity radiates from every post.

I'd suggest not 'educating' anyone unless you want to come across as a patronising arsehat and exactly the kind of person people don't want to hire.

Can we stop comparing trans or non binary to gay people. It’s quite offensive.

It’s not the same thing at all.

I’ve seen many references in this thread to the Jaguar case where non binary was held to be protected under gender reassignment.
This was not a “landmark” case. It was decided at the lowest jurisdiction and has not set a precedent. It would be landmark and a precedent if it had Jaguar had appealed and lost. The Jaguar case has also been affected by later actual precedents issued by the Court of Appeal, see Maya Forstater. So currently we cannot say it is unlawful to discriminate against non binary people. We can say in one tribunal it was held but this is not persuasive.

You'll find that in the real world, the vast overwhelming majority of the public agree with us. Sorry, but you're another one in a tiny fringe echo chamber.

Unfortunately, I think a lot of the replies above confirm your suspicions. Being NB shouldn't stop them getting interviews, it's not relevant (or even available to anyone but HR, most of the time prior to interview). But the lack of tolerance around gender dysphoria is very evident above, and absolutely demonstrates that whether it is prejudicial or not, when a NB person turns up for an interview and advocates for themselves (by perhaps dressing in a particular way, or asking to be referred to as they/them) it is perceived as 'ramming it down people's throats' or being PITA or, god forbid, a mental health issue. It wasn't that long ago that being same sex attracted was thought of as a mental health issue. People are very closed minded. There are plenty of people who are not NB who are absolute PITA's and ram their issues and preferences down peoples throats at every opportunity. It's not gender exclusive. Some working environments are generally more inclusive, and maybe your child needs to be encouraged to look for work in those places. It's shit, but I imagine it will be a long time before things change much more out there.

Please for the love of God stop comparing being gay to identity issues. They are in no way comparable. I know more and more gay people saying we are LGB, nothing to do with T/NB/Q/ other random letters!

And here they are, as predicted.

90% of the threads are about trans women, and most of the others manage to shoehorn them in somehow. This is what happens when you make transphobia your whole personality.