Labour voters - do you regret voting for them?

[MeadowL]

They got off to a really bad start and it's just gone downhill ever since. Within a couple of weeks we practically had martial law, we've had riots you name it. Law and order has completely broken down. They've cut the pensioners fuel allowance and all the while they've had their snouts in the trough. 2 tier Keir approval rating has fallen off a cliff - the country has had enough already lol.

Aibu to think that those who voted them in should apologise.

What about male violence?

After less than 3 months? When they have 14 years of shot to sort out? No I bloody don't.
Make no mistake that had the vote gone the other way there would have been a financial price to pay: however it would ONLY have been targeted on the ordinary and poorer elements of our country, rather than across the board. See Kemi Badenoch's views on Maternity pay for one.

Why? Why should people be able to continue having children they can't afford at the tax payers expense?

Of course I do. I just see them as an issue that is far bigger than just the slice about transwomen. It must be very comfortable to be able to reduce a huge and complex thing down to a single aspect and then focus only on that.

You don’t see that if women aren’t even able to define what a woman is, and who is supposed to benefit from women’s rights… they’re completely meaningless?

This. It's getting fucking tiresome tbh, and I'm gender critical.

No I don't regret voting Labour. They've been in power all of three months.

And frankly a ladder wearing a hat would be doing a better job right now than the absolute melons who've been in power for the last 15 years.

Women's rights are a very big issue. But most denials of women's rights involve not intrusion of some males on women's sex-based rights, but exclusion of women from what should be universal human rights. Politicians who are too preoccupied with 'what is a woman' are usually far too ready to exclude women from male spaces and activities and to try to keep us in our place..I don't include Rosie Duffield in this; she is a rare exception. The Andrew Tates and NatCons and JD Vances and anti-abortion American Supreme Court justices and at the extreme the Ayatollahs are all much commoner.

“Women’s rights matter but it doesn’t matter who is legally defined as a woman”

Fucking hell. I despair

Just out of curiosity:would you have said the same of Winston Churchill, who switched parties twice?

Clearly you don't know what feminism means. and who gives a fuck if the birth rate is falling? The planet is overpopulated, we are running out of natural resources and we are on the brink of nuclear war but please, let's all pollute the planet with more children and ignore everything else, at the tax payers' expense no less.

Did he do it less than three months after he’d been elected? It should apply to all serving MPs.

Since when is there a single 'right' way to be a feminist? It's utterly depressing that one cannot now be a feminist without accepting the Doctrine of Anti Trans. It's like a religion. And again, it completely misses out the huge issues affecting women which are not about gender.

Agree with you there

There won’t be any taxpayers in the future if women stop having children.

“Anti trans”

You mean that males can’t be women and shouldn’t have access to women’s spaces, sports, intimate care, etc? That’s like a religion? 😂

PS, I include trans men in feminism because they’re women. We’re not “anti trans”, we’re “anti males appropriating women’s rights”. Just for clarity.

Who’s “we”?

Really?

Yes really. Who’s “we”?

Women who don’t want males to be included in the definition of “women”

Women who want to be able to access spaces away from males without being constantly challenged.

Women who want women’s sports to not be participated in by males.

Women who are smeared by the term “anti trans”, “TERF”, “transphobe” for daring to say “no” to appropriating men.

I think we can be fairly sure someone on maternity leave is a woman. How do you feel about Badenoch suggesting we shouldn’t have maternity pay?

If you’re asking me, I disagree with her.

On that we can agree, @TENSsion

On reflection, I do agree with you about any MP (including Churchill) who actually switches to another party. But not with regard to those who resign the whip and become independent- I think that would just enhance the already-excessive power of leaders and whips. Especially as most MPs who become independent have been suspended from their party by their leaders, rather than it being their own choice.

Yes, we did, we voted for the Government. That's how it works.
Alternatively, no one voted to come out of the single market/customs union, which they assured us would never happen...yet here we are.