Labour voters - do you regret voting for them?

[MeadowL]

They got off to a really bad start and it's just gone downhill ever since. Within a couple of weeks we practically had martial law, we've had riots you name it. Law and order has completely broken down. They've cut the pensioners fuel allowance and all the while they've had their snouts in the trough. 2 tier Keir approval rating has fallen off a cliff - the country has had enough already lol.

Aibu to think that those who voted them in should apologise.

Imaginary?

You don’t think there’s a current issue with women being able to legally access male-free spaces?

Hahahaha! No.

What is a woman @cardibach ?

I think that’s not what this is about. And if it is, it was hypocritical of her not to resign before the election - that’s what I mean by imagined crusade. You’ve imagined that’s what it’s about. Everything in this resignation she knew before she stood as a Labour MP, except the WFA, which she disliked so much she didn’t vote against it…
Are you ok with that?

I’m nit getting drawn into this. My view is irrelevant.
Did Duffield know about the Labour party’s position on women’s issues before she stood as a Labour MP?
Did she have access to the gifts register before she stood as a Labour MP?
Did she vote against the WFA change?

I think a lot was very purposely made to be unclear before the election. I think she lived in hope. I think she’s reached the end of her hope.

No. I’m not ok with her not voting to keep the winter fuel payments. But neither did 99% of labour MPs. What’s the real reason for your vitriol of this particular MP.

What is a woman?

Answer my one question before making demands on me to answer your barrage of questions.

The real reason is the hypocrisy of standing for election using a party’s resources and then weeks later resigning over things she knew before the election and a thing she didn’t vote against.
This isn’t a trans debate so I’m not going to let you make it one.

No, because your question is irrelevant to my point about her hypocrisy. You want to drag me into a discussion about a different topic to avoid seeing the hypocrisy. Not falling for it.

What is a woman?

Why are you so reluctant to answer such a simple question?

You brought up Rosie Duffield.

It’s clearly Starmer’s hypocrisy that has resulted in her letter

He is receiving a lot of backlash and some MPs will show how they feel

RD by leaving

I think you would be surprised if you knew me.
I will not let you pull the discussion away from hypocrisy.
Can You see the hypocrisy?

Very happy with my vote for Labour. The 2024 election was of course different from the 97 election and the country was in a far better place economically than we are today, plus no social media to spam out to the masses with reactionary view on all sides.

Some more good stuff from Labour:

• Removing the demand for a local connection for council housing for veterans, care leavers and victims of domestic abuse - this measure will do more for women than any amount of waffling about the trans issue
• Decriminalising non-payment of the license fee; 70% of those prosecuted for this non-crime are women.

“this measure will do more for women than any amount of waffling about the trans issue”

How can you claim to want to improve things for women when you can’t even define what a woman is?

How can you claim to give a shit about women in prisons when you think women fighting to keep male criminals from being housed in women’s prisons is meaningless “waffle”?

I see your hypocrisy.

Here is a list of all the MPs who voted against the WFA.

Why did you target Rosie specifically?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0rx80yq8jo.amp

Because she’s the only one who has resigned citing it as a reason. Obviously.

When it comes to women's prisons I'm probably in agreement with you - the prison estate needs to accommodate trans people separately. However, given that it was left without any kind of capacity by the previous government, that piece of work is going to take considerable time.

For the rest of it I have no problems with trans people taking up the benefit of these latest policies. A DV victim is a DV victim - it doesn't matter how they identify, they should get housing priority. The vast, vast majority of DV victims are biological women. Some won't be. Are you saying this last group should be excluded just because they're trans?

Starmer required Labour MPs to vote to cut the Winter Fuel Payment.

Some of them did refuse, but this is a punishable offence and it's considered disloyal and so on.

Just something to take into account when pointing fingers.

I didn't vote Labour and I didn't vote Conservative either when they were in. ..

For the rest of it I have no problems with trans people taking up the benefit of these latest policies. A DV victim is a DV victim - it doesn't matter how they identify, they should get housing priority. The vast, vast majority of DV victims are biological women. Some won't be. Are you saying this last group should be excluded just because they're trans?

No. We're saying they shouldn't be in places where vulnerable females need space away from males to heal. Transwomen are male and need their own spaces.

Just look at how ERCC have harmed rape victims with their trans inclusions policy to see the issues.

Yes. If you go against the whip, you can have it removed. Given she was already going to resign, that wouldn’t have caused her any issues would it?

The post in question is about housing, not shelters. Do you think a victim of violence should be refused housing because of their sex?

OK. But the difference is that those, who didn't vote for Labour, or did but change their minds, will get the chance to vote again within 5 years, In the case of Brexit, we may never get another chance.