Labour voters - do you regret voting for them?

[MeadowL]

They got off to a really bad start and it's just gone downhill ever since. Within a couple of weeks we practically had martial law, we've had riots you name it. Law and order has completely broken down. They've cut the pensioners fuel allowance and all the while they've had their snouts in the trough. 2 tier Keir approval rating has fallen off a cliff - the country has had enough already lol.

Aibu to think that those who voted them in should apologise.

I’m very concerned by the fact nearly all the Labour MPs voted for something they’re so politically and ethically opposed to.

Coercion?

It's called whipped voting and it has been a feature of British politics for decades at least. If you didn't know this, you REALLY haven't been paying attention. It has always been a feature of governments here. And it is nothing at all to do with which party is in power.

So we shouldn’t have female only victims of domestic violence support services?

And I am saying, as I have said in the runup to the election, that there are many Labour policies which will benefit far more women than any policies around the trans issue. Because there aren't millions of predatory men pretending to be women to get at women - but there are millions of women being harmed by the current rules on DV, rape and employment rights. You're single issue on this - I get it. But the election result should have told you that the vast majority of voters did not feel this was their top priority.

Part of being in government if you want to stay in the party. Is it right? Not sure really. But not voting against the government and then resigning citing that vote as a reason? Definitely dodgy.

Yes. That’s called coercion in any other situation.

Yes, Reform is indeed my greatest fear. And the far-right element among young males (far less among females). Even if they don't get the vote at 16, they'll get it eventually. And become part of adult society more generally. I hope that they end up rejecting the likes of Andrew Tate before it is too late.

And we’re saying if you include males in your definition of “woman”, then your claims to want to improve things for “women” is meaningless.

Read it again. It’s not about support services, it’s about housing priority.

She didn’t vote. Why didn’t she put her money where her mouth is? She didn’t vote for abolishing the two child benefit cap either. What’s the point of her being there?

They aren’t in any other situation.

I didn't say that. <sigh> I said that this piece of policy is going to be massively beneficial to victims of DV, the vast majority of which are biological women. I'm not a single issue voter, I look at the bigger picture.

Yes, refuge services should be single sex, with separate provision for trans people - if only because they will require specialist support tailored to their particular situation.

But women who want to have female-only provision, female-only intimate care etc. is “waffle”?

Agree on all these points. Also, a minority of DV victims are non-trans biological males, abused either by female partners or in same-sex relationships. They also deserve housing priority.

Any news on whether you can see Duffield’s hypocrisy, @TENSsion ?

Any news on what a woman is, @cardibach ?

Irrelevant to my question. However you responded to a post about Duffield’s hypocrisy, so it’s rather relevant to that, wouldn’t you say?

Duffield is not a hypocrite she pointed Starmer is, which is the case

Duffield ought to be subject to a by election immediately.

More generally, I do dislike the fact that in our system, most votes are 'whipped', and the party leader has it 'my way or the highway', and you've got to vote with your party like a cloned sheep, or leave it altogether. One of many reasons why I could never be an M.P.! But it's true of both main parties, and to some extent the others, and not specific to Labour .

She 8s though. She said she resigned over

• the 2 child cap - manifesto promise
• donations - information fully available to her pre election
• abbott’s expulsion - and yet she didn’t resign before Abbott was reinstated
• the WFA - which she didn’t vote against when she had the chance.

None of those stack up. She used Labour money and contacts and the fact Labour were favourites to win, to get elected as an MP. She’s resigned on,y weeks into the parliamentary session. If she wasn’t a hypocrite she’d have resigned earlier and stood as an independent or, if something she’s not telling us has been a last straw, she should resign as an MP and stand as an independent in the by election. I said the same about Tory MPs who resigned the whip.

Of course she is. She was elected on false pretences. She didn’t vote against means testing WFA or retaining the two child benefit cap. She didn’t defend or support Diane Abbott during the period she was suspended. She’s the definition of hypocrisy.

I didn't say that either. However, I do think that people who think that this issue is a more pressing priority than all the issues that affect so many more people are waffling on and missing the bigger picture.

You don’t consider women’s rights to be a big issue?

Exactly. My opinion applies to any MP, of any political party who gives up the whip or crosses the floor. If you no longer represent the party whose manifesto you were elected on, your constituents should have the chance to decide whether they want to vote for you as an Independent or elect someone else.