To tell Children's Services it is a malicious referal from school

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So DD's school have today told me they are referring us to Children's Services. Ever since I made a complaint they have been trying to off roll her. They are not putting in proper support for DD leaving her struggling and then not wanting to go in the next day. Apparently this is all my fault. I feel this is just another tactic for me to be so fed up with the school I pull her out.

I understand that and make sure I keep things in writing.

I know the legal test hence that I applied for the EHCNA myself and am appealing. I will definitely win the appeal.

In terms of the school 'doing their bit' - I am interested in keeping the pressure on school to do so. As DD won't get an EHCP overnight.

Regarding the section 19 provision I was just told I need medical evidence. Is this correct, do you know?

But yes, you have to watch your back at every turn, don't you?

Yep.

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Honestly, I'm already struggling just trying to follow the complaints procedure. I don't think I have much more to give.

Why are you waiting for the school?? Put in a Subject Access Request to the school - it will show all communications about her, her attendance records, any notes they have put on their CPOMs system or whatever they use to record issues with a child. Include that evidence in your request for an EHC Needs Assessment.

Do not wait for the school to decide that she needs an EHCP. And don't let them tell you that they need 3 terms of intervention evidence, or some such thing. You don't.

Is it that it would look bad on them for it to be found they have been discriminating. Or do they just think they are so powerful they should never be criticised?

I know. My DD has little impact on others. She is quiet, compliant and well behaved...she is too afraid to be anything else.

Thank you for the advice. And that's interesting what you say. The deputy head is just incredibly rude at all times like one of those teachers that always speaks like they're telling you off no matter what.

At the end of the meeting as everyone was packing up I spoke to the person next to me. She hissed at me 'the meeting is over!' When I said I could talk to who I liked she told me I would do it outside the room!!

Do I have to have medical evidence or is her missing 15 days enough?

Yes, they sent me advice but have no capacity to support. I've already taken her to the GP and he's made an urgent referal to CAMHS.

It really is so exhausting. The Head likes to make these bewildering long speeches to waste meeting time. She jumps all over the place and won't stick to an agenda. She has no meeting etiquette at all. She seems to think a meeting is her talking and all the staff sitting around listening looking scared. Maybe I get her back up because I'm not scared of her and I talk!

The narrative that occurs in my DD's mind before a meltdown. No, that's not been explored.

Let me know when you've got it going 😉

At DD's school they introduced a buzzer to signal the end of lessons etc. If I was the SENCo I would have put my foot down and said no way. This will cause pain for ASD DC intermittently over their whole day. It's horrible.

That's infuriating! And just having to deal with this nonsense when you need all your energy for your DC is awful.

I had to fight for my DS too. He's doing really well now. Hopefully we can get DD there eventually.

Embrace it. Ask SS to support your family in getting the support from school. We had a referral to early help when school was trying to off roll us. School trying to pass blame onto me. It's very common. I was actually desperate for help and have self referred to SS multiple times and my autistic son has violent and challenging behaviour. I kept getting investigated and told I'm not a risk to my son so they have no roll. The one time I didn't nag them for help they got themselves much more involved. It's when you embrace the help and nag them and quote the laws on education and SEN pointing out their responsibilities they run for the hills.

Try the Facebook group not fine in school. Some amazing advice in there xx

I feel this so much.

No, there's times they have suspended her and times they've just asked me to pick her up.

THIS!! "So the referal is that I am preventing my DD from accessing her education. This is apparently because I have said I don't agree with the school's plan for me to have to wait in reception after I have brought DD in for 15 minutes and if they can't cope they will bring her back to me but I can't take her home. Essentially I will be looking after DD all day in reception. It's not a reasonable plan in the slightest"
is awfrul. probably illegl(hve you been police checked/is every other parent in clssa aware ?you to sit in? because this isnt just a one child one problem one solution. Make the noise.ask for support from the playground up.?pta? if pushed tell the local paper....
I am so sorry they are treating you and your wee girl so poorly. I think you sound like your run ning in "Battle mode" and given they pull punches like inform la your refuse education... you just need to let them ...but tell them why.
Is advocacy/childrens rights group able to support you.? It really sounds like you need someone in your corner.

🤣🤣🤣 wow you don’t have much experience of schools do you….

I really worried about what high school to send my son to has he had ADHD/ASD and also Cystic Fibrosis and we had a good few meetings with the school beforehand and I got told "we can absolutely deal with all of his needs" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA is all I can say after the fact. I used to get phone calls telling me he has done this, that and the other and is being suspended!! "Oh you mean the things we told you would absolutely happen and you said there would be things in place to stop it happening in the first place" honestly I was baffled at how hard the school seemed to make everything rather than just doing what they said they would do. I really feel your frustration OP it's a fucking joke and In the end my son was sent to a referral unit which I got told told was for the naughty kids 🤨 ironically he was the best he had ever been there and spent the last 3 years of his education there and had zero problems. It's stressful enough having to deal with children with additional needs on a daily basis and to be told that us as parents are causing it!! Yeah because I absolutely love making my life harder than it has to be don't I" pisses me off when people say "I can assure you that schools don't do this so there must be more to the story" so not only are we shit parents we are liars too yay. I knew you were gonna get a pile on but it's refreshing to see that those posters are being called out on it because unless you have been where you are and where I was then yeah it seems unbelievable but it's really not. Hope everything works out for you and your daughter x

Can't remember the poster name but ... generally schools (or other statutory services) do have to tell you they've made a safeguarding referral, unless by telling the family it will potentially put the child at more risk (e.g. FII or FGM). Also schools can't refer to Early Intervention services (such as 'Early Help') without parental consent.

I don't understand why so few can believe a school has ever made a malicious referral? Sure it's rare but it does happen. Schools are organisations like any other, made up of normal humans some of whom can be petty or vindictive. Referrals can be worded in a way that gets through normal checks and processes and sometimes teams of people can do unfair things - generally when there is a bad culture overall. Schools (like hospitals, police departments, local authorities etc) are not these magical places where everyone always makes fair and reasoned decisions.

Off rolling does also happen.

Anyway OP, my advice would be to just cooperate fully with Children’s Services while they investigate, do a SAR on the school and only communicate with them in writing from now on.

Personally, after the investigation I would actually deregister if you can afford it because I don't think these people are going to help you out or even offer evidence for the EHCP. You have time before GCSE years. However, if you don't want to do this for any reason, just hang in there, keep her on roll and continue to communicate with school in writing, e.g. 'Just to clarify, you are asking me to stay in school reception all day long so that you can provide my daughter with an education?