Teachers given lie-ins and extra days off

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The Guardian is reporting today that state schools are offering perks in an attempt to attract and retain teachers. These include lie-ins, whereby teachers will start later one day a week, a day off each fortnight and even the chance to work from home.

Clearly there is an issue with getting enough high-quality teachers into the profession and keeping them there. However, I’m not sure how these initiatives will go down with taxpayers on the back of successive teachers’ strikes, schools closing for months during lockdown and now inflation-busting pay rises.

Would you be happy with your DC’s teacher arriving to school late after a relaxing lie-in or logging on from home?

YABU- teachers deserve lie-ins
YANBU- teachers should be in class teaching DC

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A non-teacher occasionally delivering some GCSE lessons would not provide any understanding of the day to day experience of an actual teacher, no.

Where is this free school that’s led by a non-teacher and staffed by lots of unqualified teachers, by the way?

Aaaah so NOW I understand why you and your DP sound like total pricks and don’t have a fucking clue how to lead a school.

Earlier I suggested you are Michael Gove. I wasn't far off - you're one of his mates. I understand now.

Very different teaching a few GCSE lessons in a subject students have chosen compared to a full timetable of English, Maths or Science. He has no idea what that workload is like - an neither do you. I have been a Senior Manager in a school and I have been an English teacher.

Exactly.

OP, you've made yourself a complete laughing stock on here - which if you had a shred of either intelligence or self awareness you would realise.

Could you find a way to use your time more profitably, perhaps? Instead of embarrassing yourself (and your 'DH') Surely to God there isn't more than one muppet that your description applies to? If he genuinely exists, you've certainly outed him.

😂😂😂😂 your whole thread is just laughable! As he/you think it's so easy to take additional responsibilities on with no extra time to climb up the ranks for higher pay, he obviously has had such a genuine experience of what teachers go through day in, day out climbing up the ranks because ... oh wait he's not a teacher. He 'occasionally teaches business'. The fact he works in a free school says it all.

This is a piss take surely?

I don't believe a word of the OP.

Total wind up.

Yeah the pudding was over egged.

When I was teaching, I'd rather have had an improvement in my working conditions than a pay rise. The endless criticism from parents, challenging behaviour without arrangements being put in place, the general public - "You only work from 9 to 3 and get ALL those holidays" mentality is soul destroying. I'm glad I got out when I did. I would not recommend teaching to anyone.

Something has to be done but I don't know what. Pupils and parents have so many more rights that teachers nowadays it's going to be hard to get that particular genie back in the bottle again and make teaching attractive.

Occasionally. So Not full days plus duties and no breaks. Staff meeting then planning and marking when you get in.
Fuck right off.

OP’s DH also has teaching staff serving lunch to pupils at lunchtime to save on dinner ladies, and they have to do light cleaning to save on cleaners.

It was all bollocks then and it is all bollocks now.

Oh give over

OP, you and your DH are everything that is wrong with education right now. I am desperately hoping for change because before long we won't have an education system left to save from the likes of you.

They’ve been posting this bullshit for at least 4 years.

Oh my god so many mentions of the teachers bedroom curtains!
It’s not really a great look for hardworking parents to see class teachers heading off home during the school day or walking past a teacher’s home to see the bedroom curtains closed on a weekday morning.
if you just happen to be wandering past their house at 8am and checking out their curtains I have news for you- there is no way you are a hard working parent, we don’t have time. I also have no clue where any of my kids teachers live. I can fix your question of a parental furore - every parent that mentions the teachers curtains is signed up for a 3 hour teaching assistant shift and a round of marking, which they get quizzed on.

Personally l couldn't give a shit if my neighbour teachers curtains were closed as l have a full, interesting and busy life of my own to lead.

Absolutely agree. And yet, Mumsnet never does anything. Never bans the posters, never checks the trolls.

I'll be honest - Mumsnet HQ needs to take a good hard look at themselves and recognise that for the past 4 years, whilst many excellent and dedicated teachers have burnt themselves out trying to do their best for their pupils, Mumsnet have allied themselves with a hardcore of deeply unpleasant, vitriolic posts aimed at teachers. Covid was horrendous. As far as I'm aware, we are the only profession that faced trying to do our jobs in a small enclosed space surrounded by unmasked kids and with no PPE. I had 150 teenagers through my door every single day, sitting with me for an hour at a time, and no protection apart from 'open a window'. I'm not aware that any other profession had to do this. I've been left with long Covid and am still struggling. It's why I'm finally leaving the profession after 30 years of service.

Mumsnet HQ can award themselves a small share of the blame for the recruitment and retention crisis in teaching, as teachers absorb all this shitty hate aimed at them on this site, and for quite a few it's been the last straw that made them get out of teaching altogether.

Unfortunately she is serious.
This the the HT that wants teachers to serve pupils food at lunchtime and clean the entire school. So how his carpark is empty at 4 is anybody's guess.

As is how he manages to retain any teaching staff.

So a place were nepotism rules and you must do what the head decides or you loose your job. sounds like a real shit place to work.

I had a feeling it was that poster as well...

I think one of the main issues with teacher retention is the lure often of bursaries or simply of having no other clear cut career path often pulls young people straight out of uni towards it. They’re then hit with the actual reality of long hours, lots of marking, if it’s secondary school then arsehole kids making their lives hell every day or primary school arsehole parents. It isn’t what they expected so they drop out after a year or two and find something better to do with their time.

No idea how to get around this really. I’m a lecturer and that’s tough enough at times but I’m grateful not to have to deal with younger teens, the older ones can still often be immature and bratty enough…

If this was true the OPs DH would have been daily mail wank fodder a long time ago.

Well - they often can on nights with no meetings. I worked in a school that finished at 2.40 for a while. That doesn’t mean they stop work then though. They just start working from home.

It depends on your definition of "just after" we can leave about 25-30 minutes after the end of the pupil's school day as we were not allowed to leave whilst the pupils waited for their buses home.