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Skinny shaming is so accepted

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chickenbhunalambbhunaprawnbhunamuchroomrice · 17/09/2024 13:59

I know a lot of people will disagree with me on this, but skinny shaming is so wildly accepted and tolerated due to slim people being at an advantage due to their body size. As if it's acceptable, because they're slim. I've been body shamed my whole life for being slim. Right from when I was at junior school, to now at 30 years old.

I was relentlessly bullied at school and college. I am not an anomaly, I am a 5'5 size 6-8 female with a normal BMI. I don't need to be shamed about my body. The only people who have ever shamed or bullied me about my weight have been fat or obese people. And I'll be honest I'm trying my hardest not to judge them for their eating habits and size, but when it's a running theme I am starting to think that only fat people have a problem with slim people.

'Skinny privilege' shouldn't be an excuse to exempt bullying and shameful behaviour.
Stop trying to normalise skinny shaming just because it's the 'more desirable' image. It's not our fault that agenda has been pushed so much.

AIBU to think that skinny shaming is just as bad as fat shaming, and that slim people aren't to an advantage on this? I don't believe in the whole 'well at least you're skinny and being shamed.' Interested to know others thoughts.

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SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:26

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:25

No, investigate the symptoms and treat the issue. Always.

Weight often causes the symptoms. Lose the weight first and see if the symptoms continue.

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:26

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:23

And yet fat positve spaces exist.

Not thin spaces though.

I don't know what this even means! There are plenty of thin-positive places in society, what a totally ridiculous thing to say. The world is built for thin, able-bodied people. If some fat people want to get together, what on earth is the fucking problem with that?!

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:27

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:26

I don't know what this even means! There are plenty of thin-positive places in society, what a totally ridiculous thing to say. The world is built for thin, able-bodied people. If some fat people want to get together, what on earth is the fucking problem with that?!

Wrong.

Thin positive spaces are misrepresented as anorexia, despite it being rare as fuck.

Perfectly ok to be fat though and considered monstrous to mention it at all.

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:29

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:26

Weight often causes the symptoms. Lose the weight first and see if the symptoms continue.

Dear god. Weight loss takes time. Cancer diagnoses will have better prognosis if caught early. So no, a doctor should investigate whether a patient has cancer before they've gone off for a year to lose weight! Some illnesses make it harder for a patient to lose weight, and they need treatment first. Or maybe that person has tried and failed to lose weight many times before and can't do it- they still deserve health care! What if they have an eating disorder? Telling them to lose weight will not help.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:31

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:29

Dear god. Weight loss takes time. Cancer diagnoses will have better prognosis if caught early. So no, a doctor should investigate whether a patient has cancer before they've gone off for a year to lose weight! Some illnesses make it harder for a patient to lose weight, and they need treatment first. Or maybe that person has tried and failed to lose weight many times before and can't do it- they still deserve health care! What if they have an eating disorder? Telling them to lose weight will not help.

''What if they have an eating disorder''

All the more reason to not skinny shame, aye?

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:31

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:26

I don't know what this even means! There are plenty of thin-positive places in society, what a totally ridiculous thing to say. The world is built for thin, able-bodied people. If some fat people want to get together, what on earth is the fucking problem with that?!

I genuinely believe they’re just deliberately being argumentative for the sake of it now.

I’m not engaging anymore.

Though, I will say, in response to that last comment to me, believing fat people should lose weight before treating or investigating illness is absolutely an example of weight stigma. What if the weight loss doesn’t change the issue? What if it’s cancer? Delaying treatment is disgusting and dangerous.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:32

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:29

Dear god. Weight loss takes time. Cancer diagnoses will have better prognosis if caught early. So no, a doctor should investigate whether a patient has cancer before they've gone off for a year to lose weight! Some illnesses make it harder for a patient to lose weight, and they need treatment first. Or maybe that person has tried and failed to lose weight many times before and can't do it- they still deserve health care! What if they have an eating disorder? Telling them to lose weight will not help.

Btw thin women get told to eat '' a fucking burger''. And that gaining weight is the solution before health issues are considered.

Its almost like its being a woman, regardless, that gatekeeps health care.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:32

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:31

I genuinely believe they’re just deliberately being argumentative for the sake of it now.

I’m not engaging anymore.

Though, I will say, in response to that last comment to me, believing fat people should lose weight before treating or investigating illness is absolutely an example of weight stigma. What if the weight loss doesn’t change the issue? What if it’s cancer? Delaying treatment is disgusting and dangerous.

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Nine times out of ten, it'll solve the issue.

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:33

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:27

Wrong.

Thin positive spaces are misrepresented as anorexia, despite it being rare as fuck.

Perfectly ok to be fat though and considered monstrous to mention it at all.

It patently is NOT considered monstrous to mention that people are overweight - how many times do people need to share their experiences of being publicly abused for being fat?

I don't know what these spaces even are but it sounds completely made up. Thin people are trying to have thin-only gatherings and being accused of anorexia while fat people all get together and laugh about how no one ever dares mention their weight? In some weird fever dream of imagined oppression, sure. In real life? Well, no, it's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:33

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:32

Nine times out of ten, it'll solve the issue.

And where did you pull that statistic from? Given that it's entirely made up and total nonsense.

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:34

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:32

Btw thin women get told to eat '' a fucking burger''. And that gaining weight is the solution before health issues are considered.

Its almost like its being a woman, regardless, that gatekeeps health care.

I think that's the only accurate thing you've said. Women's healthcare sucks.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:34

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:33

It patently is NOT considered monstrous to mention that people are overweight - how many times do people need to share their experiences of being publicly abused for being fat?

I don't know what these spaces even are but it sounds completely made up. Thin people are trying to have thin-only gatherings and being accused of anorexia while fat people all get together and laugh about how no one ever dares mention their weight? In some weird fever dream of imagined oppression, sure. In real life? Well, no, it's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

I mean, yes it is.

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:35

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:31

''What if they have an eating disorder''

All the more reason to not skinny shame, aye?

Are you actually unaware that obese people can have eating disorders? You do know that anorexia isn't the only one, right?

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:36

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:34

I think that's the only accurate thing you've said. Women's healthcare sucks.

I'm the only one who seems to not give a fuck about '' beauty standards';, as if it matters.

Overweight women hold that against slimmer women and its pathetic. Men finding any woman more shaggable is not a privilege but I'm not going to lie - those who are fatter hold that grudge hold it against slimmer women.

Its not a privilege.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:37

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:35

Are you actually unaware that obese people can have eating disorders? You do know that anorexia isn't the only one, right?

Of course they can - but like you say that slimmer women face less prejudice for their weight, thinner women face more assumption that they have an eating disorder.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:38

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:33

It patently is NOT considered monstrous to mention that people are overweight - how many times do people need to share their experiences of being publicly abused for being fat?

I don't know what these spaces even are but it sounds completely made up. Thin people are trying to have thin-only gatherings and being accused of anorexia while fat people all get together and laugh about how no one ever dares mention their weight? In some weird fever dream of imagined oppression, sure. In real life? Well, no, it's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

Obesity is considered to be socially contagious. Pro ana sites are banned for a reason but not the likes of Tess Holliday, who really should be banned for promoting being that size.

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:38

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:36

I'm the only one who seems to not give a fuck about '' beauty standards';, as if it matters.

Overweight women hold that against slimmer women and its pathetic. Men finding any woman more shaggable is not a privilege but I'm not going to lie - those who are fatter hold that grudge hold it against slimmer women.

Its not a privilege.

That's such a reductive generalisation. We're back to fat women are bitter and jealous, now with added 'they want men to fancy them' as though gay fat women don't exist at all.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:40

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:38

That's such a reductive generalisation. We're back to fat women are bitter and jealous, now with added 'they want men to fancy them' as though gay fat women don't exist at all.

Well why else would it be considered that slimmer women somehow have more privilege other than the assumption they're considered the beauty ideal?

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:41

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:37

Of course they can - but like you say that slimmer women face less prejudice for their weight, thinner women face more assumption that they have an eating disorder.

Sure, and that leads to fat people with eating disorders not receiving healthcare because everyone thinks it's only thin people who have them. So it doesn't work out for anyone. Better understanding of eating disorders would benefit all of us, and hopefully reduce ignorant comments made to thin people while enabling fat women to actually get treatment.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:43

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:41

Sure, and that leads to fat people with eating disorders not receiving healthcare because everyone thinks it's only thin people who have them. So it doesn't work out for anyone. Better understanding of eating disorders would benefit all of us, and hopefully reduce ignorant comments made to thin people while enabling fat women to actually get treatment.

Then simply take skinny shaming more serious instead of ranking how important it is in regards to obesity shaming.

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:50

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:40

Well why else would it be considered that slimmer women somehow have more privilege other than the assumption they're considered the beauty ideal?

It's not just that slim women are considered more attractive - like lots of people have said, the supposedly 'ideal' body shape right now is a curvy slender hourglass shape that a lot of people don't have, whatever their BMI.

The prejudice that fat people face isn't just being considered less attractive by default. More significant than that is the assumptions made about a fat woman's character. It's been shown that people assume fat women are less intelligent than slim women - and I'd say that's backed up by the way fat people are talked about as though they have no understanding of nutrition or cooking or exercise, when in fact a lot of fat people are extremely well versed in all of that and often have vast experience of different diets and ways of eating. Still, people knock off IQ points as someone moves up the BMI scale.

Fat women are considered undisciplined, and there is so much moral virtue attached to restraint that it's really thought to be a severe character deficiency. It invites scorn and contempt for how greedy and lazy people assume they are - even though a lot of fat people will have weight-cycled through their lives and actually lost a lot of weight overall, but regained it as is usually the case when people go on diets.

Fat people are accused of being a drain on society and wasting health care resources. They might be discriminated against in job interviews, and neglected by doctors.

So there are many ways in which the prejudice can manifest that go beyond 'men might not want to shag them as much'.

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:55

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:43

Then simply take skinny shaming more serious instead of ranking how important it is in regards to obesity shaming.

I really haven't minimised or dismissed thin-shaming. I've expressed sympathy. I can take it seriously, and I have. What I absolutely cannot take seriously is your claim that obese people enjoy privilege over thin people. I can't accept anyone claiming that fat women don't receive abuse and shaming, because they absolutely do. I can't go along with the absurd pretence that we live in a world set up to favour fat people over thin when the reverse is true. None of that means that I think thin people deserve to be criticised or attacked for their body size, or that I think it isn't hurtful when it happens.

K37529 · 19/09/2024 22:59

Harvestfestivalknickers · 17/09/2024 14:22

I understand fat shaming, but what is skinny shaming ? Is it people telling you you're too slim? Why would you feel shame for being slim? Or is it people think you're too slim/skinny?

I have been told I am anorexic many times and that I look like I am dying. I am size 8, I am slim, but a healthy weight. It is said in a sneery, looking down their nose at me way, and it has only ever been said to me by women who are overweight.

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 23:06

WiddlinDiddlin · 19/09/2024 22:19

It took two years of me really making a pain in the arse of myself to get dx with heart failure (mitral valve defect).

It took my sister 3 weeks.

She did not mention that I have heart failure, as she didn't think she had it. Her symptoms were far more mild than mine.

The significant difference is, I am very overweight and was repeatedly told to lose weight, do more exercise, take these sleeping pills you're having panic attacks at night (no I couldn't breath lying down, that particular one nearly killed me)... until almost by chance, the heart murmur was noticed (the enlarged heart on a chest xray was seen and discounted!!)... and followed up.

My sister is not.

We otherwise have a very similar history of being pretty active as young kids and teens and into our early twenties and then a more sedentary life.

Had I had the treatment on dx, that she has... well lets say she's gonna live a lot longer than me.

I'm really sorry to read this, i missed it in everything else. It's so terrible and I'm sorry you've then had to read some very insensitive comments that reinforce the poor treatment you received from your doctor. You deserved to be treated as well as a thinner person would have been and I'm sorry that you weren't.

5128gap · 19/09/2024 23:09

K37529 · 19/09/2024 22:59

I have been told I am anorexic many times and that I look like I am dying. I am size 8, I am slim, but a healthy weight. It is said in a sneery, looking down their nose at me way, and it has only ever been said to me by women who are overweight.

When these women say this to you, in all honesty, do you take them at their word? Do you truly believe these women think you look bad? Or do you think they're saying it because they're fat and jealous? And more to the point, when they say it, do you take it to heart, hate and feel ashamed of your body and wish you were fat or do you carry on believing you're a healthy size 8 with no reason to feel shame?
Because when a fat woman is subject to these comments, I'm willing to bet she never doubts they think she looks bad. Never thinks they're jealous of her, would often wish she was thin and is in fact shamed in the true sense of the word.