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Skinny shaming is so accepted

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chickenbhunalambbhunaprawnbhunamuchroomrice · 17/09/2024 13:59

I know a lot of people will disagree with me on this, but skinny shaming is so wildly accepted and tolerated due to slim people being at an advantage due to their body size. As if it's acceptable, because they're slim. I've been body shamed my whole life for being slim. Right from when I was at junior school, to now at 30 years old.

I was relentlessly bullied at school and college. I am not an anomaly, I am a 5'5 size 6-8 female with a normal BMI. I don't need to be shamed about my body. The only people who have ever shamed or bullied me about my weight have been fat or obese people. And I'll be honest I'm trying my hardest not to judge them for their eating habits and size, but when it's a running theme I am starting to think that only fat people have a problem with slim people.

'Skinny privilege' shouldn't be an excuse to exempt bullying and shameful behaviour.
Stop trying to normalise skinny shaming just because it's the 'more desirable' image. It's not our fault that agenda has been pushed so much.

AIBU to think that skinny shaming is just as bad as fat shaming, and that slim people aren't to an advantage on this? I don't believe in the whole 'well at least you're skinny and being shamed.' Interested to know others thoughts.

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BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 21:30

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 21:24

No, fuck off. Its true for a lot of slim women,

Those who are overweight - which I am right now, btw - are not willing to accept that many like them are indeed abusive, out of jealousy, to those who are slimmer.

I have no sympathy for those like me who then bitch about abuse they receive back.

Stop it. It doesn't matter what ''privilege'' is. Stop abusing people no matter what your own situation is. For fucks sake.

Even if that was the case that it happens more to slim people than obese, (and I don’t believe it is), it would only be true on an individual level but certainly not on a societal level.

But, as I’ve said it’s not true that more people are abused for being slim than fat.

And I don’t not believe that you have experienced it - I’ve experienced comments myself as a skinny teen, what I don’t believe is that it happens more often that way round.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 21:33

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 21:30

Even if that was the case that it happens more to slim people than obese, (and I don’t believe it is), it would only be true on an individual level but certainly not on a societal level.

But, as I’ve said it’s not true that more people are abused for being slim than fat.

And I don’t not believe that you have experienced it - I’ve experienced comments myself as a skinny teen, what I don’t believe is that it happens more often that way round.

How often it happens shouldn't matter.

It shouldn't matter

I have no sympathy for anybody how chunky or skinny they are, for abusing others.

The using the ''but fat women are abused more'' is just an excuse to continue to abuse women who are not. Behave.

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 21:40

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 21:33

How often it happens shouldn't matter.

It shouldn't matter

I have no sympathy for anybody how chunky or skinny they are, for abusing others.

The using the ''but fat women are abused more'' is just an excuse to continue to abuse women who are not. Behave.

Behave yourself. Your confusing yourself.

If you’d read my previous comments you’d see I’ve actively condemned abuse of thin people. As have most of the others on here, with the odd exception of course.

Me saying that it happens more to fat people and is worse for fat people on a societal level doesn’t change the fact that I think it’s vile for slim to be abused. The two are not mutually exclusive.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:02

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 21:40

Behave yourself. Your confusing yourself.

If you’d read my previous comments you’d see I’ve actively condemned abuse of thin people. As have most of the others on here, with the odd exception of course.

Me saying that it happens more to fat people and is worse for fat people on a societal level doesn’t change the fact that I think it’s vile for slim to be abused. The two are not mutually exclusive.

No I don't agree that its worse for us fatties. Not remotely, actually.

Allfur · 19/09/2024 22:04

chickenbhunalambbhunaprawnbhunamuchroomrice · 19/09/2024 19:56

@Allfur

It's not bollocks, actually. Have a look online for yourself.

I probably won't cos its slightly border line obsessive

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:08

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:02

No I don't agree that its worse for us fatties. Not remotely, actually.

It doesn’t matter whether you agree, it’s proven.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:09

The war between fat and thin is ludicrous. The real issue lies in valuing ''beauty'' at all.

I'm a tubby tit witch and ugly.

I have legit never given a shit if a man considers me shaggable or not. It shouldn't be considered a privilige to be the ''beauty standard''.

Clown world.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:10

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:08

It doesn’t matter whether you agree, it’s proven.

Health wise, I'd agree.

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:12

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:10

Health wise, I'd agree.

Yes, because fat people are often ignored medically, and told to lose weight, instead of being investigated and/or treated.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:12

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:12

Yes, because fat people are often ignored medically, and told to lose weight, instead of being investigated and/or treated.

Or because many are in denial.

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:13

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 21:33

How often it happens shouldn't matter.

It shouldn't matter

I have no sympathy for anybody how chunky or skinny they are, for abusing others.

The using the ''but fat women are abused more'' is just an excuse to continue to abuse women who are not. Behave.

That's such a misrepresentation of nearly everything written on the thread. It's not that people are condoning abuse of thin women, or that anyone here is engaging in it. The first post on the thread asks for a comparison between fat and thin shaming; people have answered.

I have avoided writing anything personal about myself throughout this thread because I don't really think it's relevant, but I will say that I have also been at both ends of the spectrum and I know that it is very unusual to get more abuse for being thin than fat. I'd know it even without personal experience because I live in the world and pay attention. I also know how unwelcome and uncomfortable both kinds of shaming and criticism can be. But it takes a very deliberate warping of reality to claim that society is set up for the advantage of fat women over thin. It's just not true, and there are reams of evidence in the world of the stigma, shame and prejudice that is attached to fat people which affects them in measurable, quantifiable ways.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:14

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:13

That's such a misrepresentation of nearly everything written on the thread. It's not that people are condoning abuse of thin women, or that anyone here is engaging in it. The first post on the thread asks for a comparison between fat and thin shaming; people have answered.

I have avoided writing anything personal about myself throughout this thread because I don't really think it's relevant, but I will say that I have also been at both ends of the spectrum and I know that it is very unusual to get more abuse for being thin than fat. I'd know it even without personal experience because I live in the world and pay attention. I also know how unwelcome and uncomfortable both kinds of shaming and criticism can be. But it takes a very deliberate warping of reality to claim that society is set up for the advantage of fat women over thin. It's just not true, and there are reams of evidence in the world of the stigma, shame and prejudice that is attached to fat people which affects them in measurable, quantifiable ways.

As I was told, one person's experience doesn;'t undo the rest, right?

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:15

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:13

That's such a misrepresentation of nearly everything written on the thread. It's not that people are condoning abuse of thin women, or that anyone here is engaging in it. The first post on the thread asks for a comparison between fat and thin shaming; people have answered.

I have avoided writing anything personal about myself throughout this thread because I don't really think it's relevant, but I will say that I have also been at both ends of the spectrum and I know that it is very unusual to get more abuse for being thin than fat. I'd know it even without personal experience because I live in the world and pay attention. I also know how unwelcome and uncomfortable both kinds of shaming and criticism can be. But it takes a very deliberate warping of reality to claim that society is set up for the advantage of fat women over thin. It's just not true, and there are reams of evidence in the world of the stigma, shame and prejudice that is attached to fat people which affects them in measurable, quantifiable ways.

I still stand by what I said about obese privilege.

Nobody would say anything when I gained weight

But boy howdy, they had a lot to say when I was mentally ill and anorexic.

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:18

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:14

As I was told, one person's experience doesn;'t undo the rest, right?

No it doesn't, and I wasn't suggesting my experience proves anything - that's why I said it wasn't relevant. It's just another anecdote to add to all the others which make up this thread. We do all know the truth though, and the fact that on the whole thin women's bodies are not vilified more than fat women's. We know it whether we are thin or fat or have been both. We know it even if our own personal experience happens to contradict it because it's all around us, all the time.

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:18

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:12

Or because many are in denial.

What they’re in denial that doctors tell them to lose weight before investigating symptoms?

Tell that to the woman who were diagnosed with bowel cancer after being told it was her weight.

Or the many other people who have had similar experiences.

WiddlinDiddlin · 19/09/2024 22:19

It took two years of me really making a pain in the arse of myself to get dx with heart failure (mitral valve defect).

It took my sister 3 weeks.

She did not mention that I have heart failure, as she didn't think she had it. Her symptoms were far more mild than mine.

The significant difference is, I am very overweight and was repeatedly told to lose weight, do more exercise, take these sleeping pills you're having panic attacks at night (no I couldn't breath lying down, that particular one nearly killed me)... until almost by chance, the heart murmur was noticed (the enlarged heart on a chest xray was seen and discounted!!)... and followed up.

My sister is not.

We otherwise have a very similar history of being pretty active as young kids and teens and into our early twenties and then a more sedentary life.

Had I had the treatment on dx, that she has... well lets say she's gonna live a lot longer than me.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:20

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:18

What they’re in denial that doctors tell them to lose weight before investigating symptoms?

Tell that to the woman who were diagnosed with bowel cancer after being told it was her weight.

Or the many other people who have had similar experiences.

Those who are overweight often refuse to accept that they are doing it to themselves.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:21

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:18

No it doesn't, and I wasn't suggesting my experience proves anything - that's why I said it wasn't relevant. It's just another anecdote to add to all the others which make up this thread. We do all know the truth though, and the fact that on the whole thin women's bodies are not vilified more than fat women's. We know it whether we are thin or fat or have been both. We know it even if our own personal experience happens to contradict it because it's all around us, all the time.

And yet, society is kinder to overweight women in this way.

Not slim women though.

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:22

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:15

I still stand by what I said about obese privilege.

Nobody would say anything when I gained weight

But boy howdy, they had a lot to say when I was mentally ill and anorexic.

And many women struggling with mental illness and disordered eating who happen to be obese will hear a lot about what others think of their bodies. They'll hear it in the street, from friends, family and colleagues, from doctors who think eating disorders only make a person thin and so won't help a desperate fat person. Every time they go online they'll see what the world thinks of fat people, from the hideous fat-bashing threads that proliferate on Mumsnet to the vile comments all over social media. Fat women get it all the time. From every direction, in every form, from everyone.

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:22

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:20

Those who are overweight often refuse to accept that they are doing it to themselves.

Now that is crap.

And even IF it was true, that doesn’t mean a doctor shouldn’t investigate and treat symptoms. There is NO disease only fat people get.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:23

TinyRowboats · 19/09/2024 22:22

And many women struggling with mental illness and disordered eating who happen to be obese will hear a lot about what others think of their bodies. They'll hear it in the street, from friends, family and colleagues, from doctors who think eating disorders only make a person thin and so won't help a desperate fat person. Every time they go online they'll see what the world thinks of fat people, from the hideous fat-bashing threads that proliferate on Mumsnet to the vile comments all over social media. Fat women get it all the time. From every direction, in every form, from everyone.

And yet fat positve spaces exist.

Not thin spaces though.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:24

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:22

Now that is crap.

And even IF it was true, that doesn’t mean a doctor shouldn’t investigate and treat symptoms. There is NO disease only fat people get.

No, it really isn't.

A doctor should investigate however, losing weight first helps a lot.

A doctor is trained to hear horses, not zebras.

Lose the weight and then see if the issue continues.

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:25

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:23

And yet fat positve spaces exist.

Not thin spaces though.

Everywhere else is thin positive. It’s like people who complain at the need for Pride events.

I’m starting to think you’re just messing with us now..surely no one can be as deluded as you.

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:25

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:24

No, it really isn't.

A doctor should investigate however, losing weight first helps a lot.

A doctor is trained to hear horses, not zebras.

Lose the weight and then see if the issue continues.

No, investigate the symptoms and treat the issue. Always.

SpudleyLass · 19/09/2024 22:26

BeretRaspberry · 19/09/2024 22:25

Everywhere else is thin positive. It’s like people who complain at the need for Pride events.

I’m starting to think you’re just messing with us now..surely no one can be as deluded as you.

No it isn;t. As evidenced by this thread.