Accusing women of being men

[poppyzbrite4]

Brigette Macron has just been awarded compensation after a rumour that she's a man went viral. Michelle Obama has also been accused of being a man as has Jacinda Ahern.

Why are famous women being accused of being men?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brigitte-macron-false-transgender-claims-france-b2611899.html

I'm not going to get into a trans bunfight on this thread but that mindset is also the root of all those ridiculous transphobes swearing they can tell a trans woman from a cis woman just by looking at them.

People can tell the difference between a male and female, yes, just by looking at them. This has been the case since the beginning of time.

This is incredibly racist.

No. Not always.

Sure.

It is purely your choice to call Khelif by the pronouns you wish. I don't choose to follow your choice.

If you seek to shame any person on this thread for correctly sexing this male person, one who has now shown the world just how harmful such an ideological view can be when laws are formed where 'gender' is placed at the same priority to sex, please understand that no one has to comply to your philosophical belief. No one. Not one of us.

Because it is because someone's gender was prioritised above the reality of their sex that Khelif was in that ring. Because in the late 1990s a campaign group decided that sex testing for some male people was an indignity. That some special male people, who had been incorrectly registered as female on their birth certificate should be able to compete in female sports based on inclusivity.

And this situation with Khelife has shown just how meaningless the language that some people demand is and how it IS based on philosophical belief. Why?

Because, the situation with the male boxers has shown us that the word 'cis' is meaningless, and always was, and based on someone's philosophical belief.

In fact, because we were reminded that 'cis' means any person 'assigned' female at birth, this also includes those male people who have been incorrectly registered as female. And I am talking about the male people who have differences of sex development where their bodies are capable of processing the testosterone that their testes produce.

What this means is that there is now no words to describe a unique group of female people that reliably means just those female people, either pre or post puberty, who have bodies that are female sexed.

Cis is a meaningless word.

In addition, we have recently been reminded that to be a person with a transgender identity is not based on having gender dysphoria. We have been told this now by professional academics as well as trans people themselves. There is only a rare group that may have gender dysphoria at all.

Therefore, the only commonality for people with transgender identities is that their philosophical belief.

Meaning no one needs to comply with another persons philosophical belief. No matter how kind or respectful that person who is trying to shame you into complying tells you that it is to use the preferred language, it is someone who is demanding that you support their own philosophical belief.

You are totally free to choose to base your own language on using the sometimes centuries old established meanings of words and the established protocols of language that are based around sex. Not someone's identity. Or you can choose to base your own language around someone's identity.

But you don't get to shame those who choose differently.

You do you. And do so with confidence. But others choose to use correct sex language for accuracy.

There’s been a push online to blur the lines between women and trans. Many of the biggest make up influencers were men and pushed a highly exaggerated drag look at women e.g massive eyelashes, extreme contouring to hide masculine features etc.

If women were made to look like trans or drag queens then trans and drag queens looked like women. Seems to be dying down a bit now.

Have you seen Khelife’s medical files?!

I’m not throwing about wild accusations about her on here though am I?

With all the valid ambiguity of whether they have a chromosomal disorder thus giving an unfair advantage over females (particularly in a sport like boxing), you are INSISTING this boxer is female. So by your reasoning until you are sure i.e. have seen their medical records, you should be piping down too, no?

And this is your argument? How weak is this.

So, apparently, no one is allowed to comment on published information without personally seeing it? Gosh.... imagine that! How the fuck do you navigate the world?

Your arguments are weak. Your comparison is completely irrelevant too.

I am happy to keep repeating it and while I am at it, I can start to provide the links with the published information.

https://www.iba.sport/news/iba-reaffirms-the-position-and-removal-of-boxers-from-all-events/

Here is the French article where Khelif's team released more information.

www.lepoint.fr/sport/exclusif-jo-2024-imane-khelif-a-ete-aneantie-de-decouvrir-d-un-seul-coup-qu-elle-pourrait-ne-pas-etre-une-fille-09-08-2024-2567609_26.php

Oh. So you haven't been 'on' the threads about Khelif. So, I guess you never bothered to get more information then. Just took a prejudiced view point on what was contained in those threads.

Good to know. Sorry that I assumed you were someone else.

Can I recommend that you actually read the threads. Because there is quite a bit of information there that shows just how irrelevant your comparison of Khelif with Michelle Obama really is.

But none of you can see the absolute insane hypocrisy of what you are saying.

The thread is literally about how there are some women who have been called men because they don’t fit gender norms.

But when it’s a boxer that also doesn’t look like gender norms and that you all THINK is a man because she looks male ( and there have been some unproved accusations in the media) , that’s somehow different?!

You are all so far down the fucking gender ideology rabbit hole it’s absolutely incredible.

This is just plain silly. Khelif was eligible to box because the IOC took over from the previous governing body because of financial corruption. (Corruption in boxing? Say it ain’t so…)

Unlike individual governing bodies, the IOC doesn’t segregate sport by sex.

Khelif’s test was not done by a Russian cabal, ffs, it was done by an accredited lab. The statements released by the lab, the governing body and Khelif’s own team confirm that they have “chromosomes inconsistent with a female profile,” male-level testosterone and have been given testosterone suppressants.

Khelif’s specifics are correctly private. We don’t know for 100% certain which DSD affects them. What we do know is they were registered at birth as female but went through male puberty. As such, competing in women’s sport is dangerous to their opponents.

Doctors Ross Tucker and Emma Hilton are both experts in this area and have been very clear on the situation.

This is absolutely nothing to do with racists and misogynists claiming Michelle Obama isn’t a woman.

This isn’t a trans bunfight, either - or shouldn’t be. This is about men with DSDs trying to opt into women’s sport to win medals.

People who go through male puberty put women’s lives at risk if they compete in women’s sport. There is no justification for that.

It isn't because anyone thinks anything.

It is because men punching women and winning medals for it, isn't actually good. Or fair to the women who trained their whole lives to compete in the olympics.

His own manager said he was devastated when his results came through. But yet he still managed to punch enough women to win a gold medal.

He could easily have done a cheek swab and put all this to bed.

Mad ideology?

Blimey. You are doing a great job. Please do keep it going!

My 'mad ideology' is actually the same as the majority of the UK population. Shall I link up the multiple polls that show that the UK population (and I can link up some from other countries too) do not support male people competing in female sports events where those male people have been through male puberty.

Great that you think the majority of the UK population is also 'mad' and 'grim' and whatever you are choosing to throw at people who disagree with you.

Mother nature, what a TERF.

There is no 'hypocrisy' in what we are saying.

Only because you choose to believe that a male person who was incorrectly registered as being female at birth is a female athlete.

This is not based on 'looks'.

On the contrary. It is based on chromosomal testing that has been published as far as it is legally possible and verified by THREE boxing confederations. Plus confirmed by the statements from or relating to three medical specialists.

Your posts are great hyperbole though. It is really entertaining to see.

Hmm, 70 million people agree with you eh?

Where have I heard this before 🤔

Batshit!

Could you start your own thread and stop derailing mine? Ta

I don’t subscribe to gender ideology so no, it’s not that incredible. I’m fine with biological
reality thanks.

The two boxers weren’t plucked out of obscurity for looking ‘a bit masculine’, they were disqualified after tests by INDEPENDENT reputable labs after concerns surrounding their eligibility. They did not appeal this disqualification. Well one did then withdrew. Their own teams have admitted chromosomal problems.

What female, if they had no DSD giving an advantage over females, would allow this to happen? A simple cheek swab would put all this to bed. I’d be waving the fucking result from the rooftops. Funny how this has not been forthcoming.

Until this ambiguity is sorted no female should be getting punched in the face in elite sport.

The irony of you accusing me, and others of being wrapped up in gender ideology with the arguments (and I’m being kind here) you have presented is what’s incredulous.

It’s the wild hypocrisy on here that’s amazing.

But I am happy to leave and let you all argue about chromosomes.

No. I never said that 70 million people agreed with me.

That is just more of your performative hyperbole.

I did say that the majority of the UK don't believe that male people should be competing in female sports categories.

Do you believe that any male person who has a body that has been virilised via processing the testosterone that their testes produce or have produced should be allowed to compete as a female in female sports categories?

Thanks

Have you got the medical report to hand? I wasn’t aware it had been published. You might want to note that believing what a number of medical specialists “believe” to be likely, is not evidence, but a racist, misogynistic assumption that tall, Arab women must really be men and that opinions are more important than fact.

@poppyzbrite4 - have you known any sensible people claim this rather than mad heads frothing on Twitter or American right wing podcasts? I must admit it’s only online lunatics I’ve heard spout such guff.

You’d think actually giving birth would be sufficient for claims about Obama or Williams in these circumstances, wouldn’t you?