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Would you have sex-missionary with someone if offered money

687 replies

Snoringfamily · 12/09/2024 23:34

If so, how much would it have to be?

Discussion at work quite a few years ago, inspired by the Demi Moore film. I was younger and had more money than now. If someone asked you to sleep with them for x amount of money-say half a million, would you? Missionary only, over quickly
I was aghast and said no, most said of course they would.

Now, I think I feel differently

Would you?

OP posts:
ThatSongStuckInYourHead · 13/09/2024 00:45

Delonghi88 · 13/09/2024 00:41

Some do it for the money some enjoy the sex and some like both

Here we go, they enjoy it. You'll be telling us they find it empowering next.

RogueFemale · 13/09/2024 00:46

ThatSongStuckInYourHead · 13/09/2024 00:32

A prostitute who is genuinely choosing to sell sex is not a victim or some second rate human.

When lots of very wealthy people choose to be prostitutes as a career choice you may have a point. Until then, no. And it'll never happen.

There are many women where the career choice is marrying billionaires. It's an actual job to be a trophy wife.

Synchronisedwitches · 13/09/2024 00:46

Abbylikeswine · 13/09/2024 00:41

If I knew there was a twenty year old man who was struggling to pay his bills and buy food.

If I give him 100 pounds for sex.

Has he consented to that sex?

He was in desperation for money

Edited

I'd certainly think you were a shitty person who was taking advatage. But I would think he consented yeah. And I'd not think less of him for doing it.

Abbylikeswine · 13/09/2024 00:49

Synchronisedwitches · 13/09/2024 00:46

I'd certainly think you were a shitty person who was taking advatage. But I would think he consented yeah. And I'd not think less of him for doing it.

I think the point is

"Is paid- for consent really consent"

We talk a lot on mumsnet about the epidemic of sexual abuse out there

AbraAbraCadabra · 13/09/2024 00:49

SocksAndTheCity · 12/09/2024 23:35

God, definitely. Am I allowed to do Wordle.at the same time?

😂😂😂😂😂

ThatSongStuckInYourHead · 13/09/2024 00:51

I think the point is

"Is paid- for consent really consent"

We talk a lot on mumsnet about the epidemic of sexual abuse out there

Quite. And no, paid for consent isn't consent imo.

Arctangent · 13/09/2024 00:52

For half a million, I'd be glad to.

I'd much rather live with my feelings over that than I would knowing that I turned down a life changing amount of money.

I could do so much to help myself and my nearest and dearest. It's definitely worth it.

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 13/09/2024 00:53

Yuck no.

Or I’d want to see them first, it would have to be millions not £500k and fully clothed, protected and doggy style😆 oh and drunk! Very drunk.

Synchronisedwitches · 13/09/2024 00:54

Abbylikeswine · 13/09/2024 00:39

Exactly how can a prostitute "genuinely choose to sell sex"

When women only do it when they need the money.

How is it a choice, if you're doing it because you need money.

If there was a twenty year old extremely poor man, and I give him 100 pounds to have sex with me, do you think its wrong then?

We all do things we aren't really that interested in doing and wouldn't do if we weren't being paid... we all have to keep roofs over our heads! Sometimes people who could be doing other types of work might actively choose prostitution because they prefer it to the other types of work they could be doing.
One of my friends was an escort for many years. I met her because we were working together in a bar. So it's not like she couldn't have had a different job. She chose escorting because of the amount of free time she got and because she found it easy essentially. She was very pretty and had a high sex drive. She worked for an agency and made a mint.
I think you could argue it did end up effecting her attitudes towards men but I don't think you could argue that she hadn't consented... unless you go down the route of criticising all capitalism which is quite valid tbh.
But personally I do think all minimum wage jobs are exploitative. And in her case she found this job that paid well and she found less exploitative than the work she was doing previously

Abbylikeswine · 13/09/2024 00:54

Just thinking of it hypothetically. How would it work anyway.

You could have sex with him, and then he could just not give you the money afterwards

Or if he does transfer the money first, the woman could then just decide not to have sex with him.

Neither would have a leg to stand on , If the other one doesn't go through with it. As it is dodgy legally

CurlyhairedAssassin · 13/09/2024 00:54

PyongyangKipperbang · 13/09/2024 00:18

But you say "You know you had been a prostitute" like its a negative thing. In this scenario he is prepared to pay whatever it costs so you have the power. A shag that would mean nothing to me in terms of the physical act versus the difference it would make to my life in terms of financial benefits.....no brainer. A prostitute who is genuinely choosing to sell sex is not a victim or some second rate human.

The ability to choose is different to a woman who is trafficked or pimped or is servicing an addiction and has no real choice.

Some would say that he is buying my consent, I disagree. I would say that, in this scenario, I am charging him for my consent. Small but significant difference.

I don't believe you actually DO have the power if you need the money, however much you demand. A woman who would always turn the man down whatever he offered holds the REAL power, because the man can NEVER have her. That's why rape is talked about in terms of being a power thing. If a man was going to rape you but you said to him "well, actually, if you're going to do it, if you want to pay me a lot of money I'll let you do it and we'll say no more about it" do you really think he would pay you or just go ahead as planned anyway? That man is never going to opt to pay you. But just say, for the sake of argument, he said "ok then, I'll pay you", would you be happy to then sleep with that man who'd been about to rape you?

AbraAbraCadabra · 13/09/2024 00:56

Abbylikeswine · 12/09/2024 23:49

Does nobody wonder about the psychological damage it would do to you?

I definitely do it. Not that I'd get an offer lol as a slightly overweight middle aged disabled woman but for a million I'd definitely do it, for half a million, probably. My DH could give up his job that he hates by has to do to support us as I can't work so I'd love to take that off his plate. As pp has said I've had sex I've regretted and got fuck all out of it so it'd be no different. Why do you think you'd be psychologically damaged by it? It's not rape, you are consenting.

As someone who is chronically ill though I know how crucially important your health is (way more than money) so I'd want to know he had a clean bill of health first.

MarkingBad · 13/09/2024 00:56

ThatSongStuckInYourHead · 13/09/2024 00:40

Not really because in this senario you have a choice, and there are plenty of grotty men who still manage to get laid so someone is putting out and not minding.

I think it's likely it would mess some women up who think it wouldn't bother them.

I do know someone that used to be an 'escort' to put herself through uni and she was very blasé about it at the time. it really fucked her up for years afterwards and impacted her relationships with men and other parts of her life.

While I agree some people might be affected by the experience, transactional sex is nothing new, doesn't always equal prostitution, nor is it always damaging to either partner.

Personally I don't think someone who accepts money for sex the once is immediately a sex worker or need an emotional connection to the man or risk being damaged by it. But that's just my opinion.

PyongyangKipperbang · 13/09/2024 00:57

Abbylikeswine · 13/09/2024 00:44

No the sugar babies in the article that I read, just had sex for money. They didn't do anything else.

Yes other women can do what they want. I'm just pointing out the various problems that I would think would happen.

Then they werent sugar babies, they were prostitues.

Abbylikeswine · 13/09/2024 00:57

How would either person trust the other person, when a large amount of money is concerned for one night of sex.

If she has sex with him, he could then just decide not to pay her.

If he pays her first, she could then decide not to go through with it.

I can see them having to agree on terms.

It would be like

"the moment the penis enters the woman, the man must click "bank transfer" on his bank app on his phone

Abbylikeswine · 13/09/2024 00:58

PyongyangKipperbang · 13/09/2024 00:57

Then they werent sugar babies, they were prostitues.

Sugar babies is mainly having sex for money.

Precipice · 13/09/2024 00:58

To numerous PPs who mention having had sex they "regretted": on what basis? Didn't you choose these men because you felt they were attractive or looked acceptable to you? Surely there was still a minimum aspect of selection of the guy?

I don't think this scenario is comparable. You chose to sleep with that man. Here, the scenario is a guy you'd never ever consent to sleep with otherwise.

PyongyangKipperbang · 13/09/2024 00:59

RogueFemale · 13/09/2024 00:46

There are many women where the career choice is marrying billionaires. It's an actual job to be a trophy wife.

Agree.

Just because they have a ring and a certificate it doesnt make them less of a prostitute.

tolerable · 13/09/2024 01:00

absolutely.well.depends on who-but if past the(my) viewing stage....aye.
sure s fuck wouldnt have paddington for tea tho.

Abbylikeswine · 13/09/2024 01:01

Precipice · 13/09/2024 00:58

To numerous PPs who mention having had sex they "regretted": on what basis? Didn't you choose these men because you felt they were attractive or looked acceptable to you? Surely there was still a minimum aspect of selection of the guy?

I don't think this scenario is comparable. You chose to sleep with that man. Here, the scenario is a guy you'd never ever consent to sleep with otherwise.

I can understand women regretting sex.

I definitelt regret the sex I had where the man was extremely selfish in bed.

Its hard to know how selfish men will be in bed, until you actually have sex with them

PyongyangKipperbang · 13/09/2024 01:04

CurlyhairedAssassin · 13/09/2024 00:54

I don't believe you actually DO have the power if you need the money, however much you demand. A woman who would always turn the man down whatever he offered holds the REAL power, because the man can NEVER have her. That's why rape is talked about in terms of being a power thing. If a man was going to rape you but you said to him "well, actually, if you're going to do it, if you want to pay me a lot of money I'll let you do it and we'll say no more about it" do you really think he would pay you or just go ahead as planned anyway? That man is never going to opt to pay you. But just say, for the sake of argument, he said "ok then, I'll pay you", would you be happy to then sleep with that man who'd been about to rape you?

Well in your scenario I am going to get raped either way, so would I take rape, moral high ground and the trauma that goes with it, or rape, trauma and half a million quid? I would take the money.

Said as a rape survivor, whatever difference that makes.

Synchronisedwitches · 13/09/2024 01:04

Precipice · 13/09/2024 00:58

To numerous PPs who mention having had sex they "regretted": on what basis? Didn't you choose these men because you felt they were attractive or looked acceptable to you? Surely there was still a minimum aspect of selection of the guy?

I don't think this scenario is comparable. You chose to sleep with that man. Here, the scenario is a guy you'd never ever consent to sleep with otherwise.

I don't think there necessarily is a level of selection..
At least in my experience. Sex I regretted tended to be when young with guys who just relentlessly persued me and I eventually gave iin.so it was more that they selected me and I was just not confident about what I did or didn't want so ended up sleeping with them. Sometimes when young you think you should feel something towards men who express interest in you. Sometimes it takes a while to learn to identify and assert your own feelings.
So yes I did end up sleeping with guys I wasn't attracted to at all.

Just4thisthreadtoday · 13/09/2024 01:05

SocksAndTheCity · 12/09/2024 23:35

God, definitely. Am I allowed to do Wordle.at the same time?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

FruitFlyPie · 13/09/2024 01:06

Yes I would.

I've had sex I didn't want to stop my (now ex) bf from nagging me. And it wasn't quick missionary either.

FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 13/09/2024 01:07

SocksAndTheCity · 12/09/2024 23:35

God, definitely. Am I allowed to do Wordle.at the same time?

Quordle and Octordle if it goes on too long.