To ask for help in how to address this with school?

[pervyteacher]

Dd (18) is in her 2nd year of sixth form. Last year when she was 17, an issue arose with a male teacher whose behaviour was highlighted as inappropriate with female pupils, one of whom was my daughter. He had been taking selfies on their phones and sending them links to inappropriate things on social media (I don't know the details as my daughter wasn't involved in the latter, but he did use her phone to take weird selfies). Anyway, at the time I spoke with the school's safeguarding lead who assured me that they were dealing with it and it was referred to the police. The teacher was not suspended and my daughter told me that, while she still saw him occasionally around the school, he'd been advised by the safeguarding lead in no uncertain terms not to have any contact with her.

Today my daughter called me at work upset, saying she had seen him and he had asked her to "meet him in a classroom for a chat". She made and excuse and scarpered with her friend. Later in one of her classes she said she saw him hanging around outside the door looking in, which she assumed was for her. She later left her lesson and said she got herself out of the school as quickly as possible to avoid him, and came home.

I'm really angry that she's being made to feel this way, and although it doesn't seem he's done anything that constitutes a criminal offence and is clearly still employed, I do not think he should be lurking around my daughter making her feel this way.

Before I call the school with all guns blazing, how would you handle this? AIBU to be angry, or do I need to let my now adult daughter handle this? She's only very recently turned 18 if that's relevant.

Yes she does know the other girls.

It’s really simple. Head teacher or principal and if no adequate response police and/or LADO. This is a person working with under 18s as well as your daughter so the fact she is technically an adult is irrelevant here.

I teach in FE. Staff here would be suspended after the first reports of inappropriate behaviour and we've had staff sacked for inappropriate relationships on more than 1 occasion.

I'd report to the police. He's been warned and its made no difference. DBS checks only flag what people are guilty of - staff behaving in this manner need dealing with.

I reported a male member of staff to safeguarding because he was overly invested in 1 male student. The student was uncomfortable and spoke to me about it - I followed policy and reported within 2 hours.

No male member of staff I know would be in a room on their own with a female student.

We're there to ensure students are safe not to be overly friendly with them.

Report to the head teacher. Who dealt with it before and said he would not be allowed to contact her?

I would also discuss with your DD how she would cope with something like this in the future. Of course she should never have been placed in this position, but could she have approached another member of staff or gone straight to the head herself? I would expect the school to put some process in place for her to be safe at school (and to feel safe).

You don't know what the outcome of the previous investigation was, I don't think you have enough information to assume that it was dealt with incorrectly.

That the teacher has gone against what the school apparently explicitly told him not to do needs dealing with. Let the head deal with it, and if you are unhappy with that, then escalate.

I reported my Head Teacher to the LADO for inappropriate behaviour with vulnerable boys and male Sixth Form students on a Saturday night. He resigned on the Monday morning as Ofsted arrived in the car park.
Id reported my concerns to the DSL several times but I just got bullied and harassed at home by the HT.
Friend who is HT told me to inform LADO .
Problem solved .
In my experience go to them. Tell them .

Straight to the safeguarding lead, with the Head cc'd in. I'd be emailing so there's a paper trail and demanding a meeting tomorrow.

Keep her off school tomorrow if necessary and make it clear to them that they must keep him away from her.

It's a really bad idea to contact the teacher directly. Procedures need to be followed here, or he could wangle his way out by denying speaking to your DD and then claiming harassment against you.

Well done to your daughter for speaking up straight away. I'm sure not all would have the confidence to do so.

If you don't have faith that they will deal with this sufficiently, absolutely go down this route.

Your DD's safety is the only important thing at this point.

I disagree. It will not hurt to know more about the big picture since the school have already failed to safeguard her DD. Knowledge is power in a situation like this.

I strongly suggest you also forward your email to the local authorities LADO (stands for local authority designated officer). The school should immediately refer it to them when they receive your email and should've done last time (any potential safeguarding concern involving a staff member should be reported by the school/college to them), but if you're not 100% sure they dealt with it correctly last time, or will this time, there's nothing stopping you informing them yourself

Spot the pervert on the thread... no need to hunt, it's @sunseaandsoundingoff

Don't listen to this nonsense OP. Blaze your guns. I'm a teacher of many years standing, precisely because I haven't acted like this around kids. No excuse, we have safeguarding training every single year. Often more than once.

Just seen someone else has also recommended the LADO too!

And that's my exact plan??? I said in my email if their resposne isn't timely and satisfactory this time around and doesn't result in my daughter being adequately safeguarded then I plan to escalate it via LADO and Ofsted.

Do you think I need to mention LADO as something I plan to do if nothing is resolved, or something I am doing regardless and just notify them that I have?

I would be questioning what their original investigation and police liaison did? Did it even happen? Ask for evidence - even if it's redacted. And if they don't do anything this time go to the police yourself. Who knows what else they may find on him.

I have gone all guns blazing for less than this. For that one i would be storming in with a fake kalashnikov and asking the shitty idiot to be brought to me so I interrogate him personally.

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So what nothing seems to have happened before? He is continuing a pattern of behaving in an inappropriate manner and any incidences such as these can all add to evidence there already is.

Absolutely report to the school designated safeguarding lead.

OP do NOT do this.

Sorry, I thought you said that Ofsted would be interested because they dealt with the previous incident badly, when you don't know this.

Don't say that you're going to escalate it to multiple agencies, that's a waste of their time. Escalate it to the correct one, which is not Ofsted.

Why not Spiralling? How are OP, her DD, and the other girls who were targeted by this teacher well served by keeping themselves siloed? This is a tactic that can only serve the school and teacher well.

So I asked my daughter whether the other girl involved has been approached by him, she said no (she asked the girl directly today when this situation happened). DD said this made her feel worse as she doesn't know why he's now so singling her out. She also said she went to the safeguard lead and head of sixth form to report what had happened after she phoned me (I hadn't realised she'd done this, very proud of her!). Apparently they looked "mortified" and said they'd be dealing with it as he's aware he's not allowed contact. So it seems that my email won't come as a surprise tomorrow then.

I think it would be appropriate to call the police tbh...

The police have already stepped back from this, without, it would appear, even interviewing her DD. The possibility that this will move towards a criminal prosecution seem exceptionally slim.

Suggesting OP ignores her DD’s mental health in order to try and protect any potential prosecution is not putting her DD’s welfare first. Unless the DD’s priority is pursuing a criminal prosecution first and foremost, it would not be a good idea to restrict how she is supported. She is in the middle of A levels and will need to go back to the school he may still be working in regardless of OP’s efforts. She may well need someone to ask her more than “How did that make you feel?”

Insane reply.

She is not an adult, she is a schoolgirl.
She is not running to mummy 'every time a man tries to talk to her in a public place.' The man isn't any man but a teacher (person in authority over her) who has been told not to approach her due to his previous inappropriate behaviour, who then tracked her down, despite not teaching her anymore and asked her to meet him in a classroom for a chat - a private place - not a classroom full of other pupils. When she didn't turn up, he came looking for her.

If you can't see that she is not the problem in this scenario then you have your eyes shut.