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To not understand the obsession with ‘doodle’ breeds

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CherryValley5 · 11/09/2024 21:26

Eg: labradoodles, cockapoos etc.

They are absolutely everywhere! Why are people actively seeking out and paying pedigree prices for dogs that are effectively mongrels? Behavioural problems are all too common, not to mention hereditary health issues due to poor and unethical breeding - I am a dog owner and the vast majority of doodles, ‘poo’ breeds etc that I meet are incredibly hyperactive, with owners who have no clue how to deal with them. Obviously there are exceptions, some are lovely but as a rule of thumb they’re dogs that I tend to cross the street to get mine away from.

The breeder who created the labradoodle calls it his ‘life’s regret’ - that speaks volumes in my opinion!

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CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 18:05

AddictedToBooks · 16/09/2024 17:49

I think it's a bit of both.

My parents rescued a Border Collie and some cats from an empty flat just before I was born and they found homes for the cats and kept the dog and when I was born, Dad said that she would sit by me constantly and she accidentally nudged my pram, making it rock as I was crying one day and it soothed me and from then on, if ever I started whimpering in my pram, she'd sit in the basket and use her nose to bounce my pram. She would also escape by jumping over our gate and would follow my Dad if he took me out in my pram - he left me outside a shop one day and came out to a commotion of a dog barking and Lady had followed Dad and made herself comfy under my pram and she was upset because two ladies were leaning into my pram to look at me (the ladies actually admitted to my Dad that they'd come too close and that Lady was just protecting me).
Another time, Dad had taken me to my Nanna's and not long after we'd arrived, there was a knock at Nanna's door and when she opened it, Lady was there, wagging her tail on the path.

Sadly I don't really remember her but I rescued a Border Collie 15 years ago (her breed was pure chance but when Dad saw her, he said she was just like Lady) and she was amazing and always eager to please. I was really ill one day and bed bound and I dropped my medication packet and she was playing in the room and lunged for the packet and I thought "Oh no!" and she came and gently placed them in my lap and then carried on with her playing.
I miss her terribly.

Now my husband and I dedicate ourselves to giving rescue Border Collies a loving forever home.
Currently got a male and a female (both neutered) and they both trained well but I think that was more to do with them than us.
Our lad taught himself how to flip a doughnut shaped toy into the air and then catch it every time but he is definitely the more bonkers one. Our new girl has the strongest herding mentality (she likes to herd bubbles - our other female liked to herd balloons whereas our boy thinks it's his mission to destroy all balloons).
She taught herself to go and find the cat (who likes to hide) - I ask where he is and she will go all over the house and garden to find him and will then sit next to him and bark for me.

The cleverest thing they've done was this summer - they have a shallow paddling pool to play in on the hotter days and I'd just popped in to put the kettle on and my girl came running in to get me (I can't explain it, maybe it's because I've been a "Collie Mum" for 15 years, but I just knew she wanted me to go outside, rather than an ear tickle) and I followed her outside and our boy was looking from me, into the pool, to me again and she ran to the pool and our boy actually took the running hose out of the pool with his mouth and I saw that they were looking at a drowning honeybee - thanks to them, I saved the honeybee but I still can't get over our lad pulling the hose out!

From my personal experience, I'd say the female Border Collies are easier to train and are more "sensible" but they're also very bossy when they want to be - when my girl fancies "herding bubbles", she picks her bubble tube up and brings it to me and if I don't respond quick enough she starts tapping me on the knee with her paw.
Mind you, she can be a moody little madam too - a few weeks ago she couldn't walk between the sofa and the coffee table because my leg was in the way and she really bad temperedly yanked my leg out of the way by pulling it with her paw.

They are intelligent and very beautiful (but I think the same of all dogs, even my ex neighbour's untrained one) but I do admittedly have a huge affection for Collies, even collies that are different types and mongrels that have Collie in them - they all just seem to have this way of learning really quickly and wanting to make those they care about, happy

Thanks for sharing, those stories really made me smile. They sound amazing. The ones I see are always so focused and never distracted.

There was one at the park the other day, off lead. My dog was on lead quite a distance away but getting excited and pulling a bit to get to him/her. The collie just sat down, tail furiously wagging and done the biggest head tilt I've ever seen 😍 It was like they were saying "I really want to play but I haven't been told I can"! Absolutely beautiful.

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 18:07

CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 17:53

I'm confused? I don't get what's wrong with this comment? This poster has continuously slated these dogs for not being "real" dogs. The dogs. Not the owners.

The other poster IS considering the dogs and worried they'll be getting treated differently as they're thought of as undeserving seeing as they're not up there with "real" dogs. Why are you making out she's the one that's abhorrent?

It is a personal attack. It implies unprofessional behaviour without any proof of such.

Would you say the same about a vet? Because BTW they also hate particular breeds... Would you say your vet shouldn't treat a breed they don't like?

CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 18:12

Verv · 16/09/2024 18:00

Quite.
My initial thought when reading it was "Christ, Imagine losing everything you've ever known only to be viewed as a "bane" by an alleged caregiver.

The "I would never treat differently" though works on the principle that dogs can't tell who likes them and who doesn't, which is a nonsense. They know.

(I dont have a doodle or a poodle btw, ive got a god-knows-what rescue mutt)

Agreed!

Oooh get a dna test! They're so interesting. I was a bit sceptical at first as I met someone who had what I assumed was mostly lab and he said he'd had the dog tested and it was lots of other dogs that were not lab like in the slightest. However, I used wisdom panel and didn't upload a pic (just in case) and they were 100% with her breeds and told me who her brother was... I already knew as her brother's owner had him tested a few months prior!

CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 18:14

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 18:07

It is a personal attack. It implies unprofessional behaviour without any proof of such.

Would you say the same about a vet? Because BTW they also hate particular breeds... Would you say your vet shouldn't treat a breed they don't like?

I probably wouldn't take my dog to a vet who shared PP's views, no.

CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 18:17

WalkingonWheels · 16/09/2024 17:47

I have a rescue mongrel as well as my purebreed dogs, but OK. I just don't call him a ridiculous, made up name.

Haven't had a staffie in for ages 👍

I don't call my dog a "stupid made up name". I call her a poodle/golden retriever/ lab cross, as that's what she is. I mean I could of course when asked (about 20 times a day) just say she's a mongrel, but that's not really helpful for someone wanting to know what breeds she's made up of is it?

F0urt33n · 16/09/2024 18:18

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 18:07

It is a personal attack. It implies unprofessional behaviour without any proof of such.

Would you say the same about a vet? Because BTW they also hate particular breeds... Would you say your vet shouldn't treat a breed they don't like?

If you were a vet there is no way you’d be going anywhere near my cockapoo.

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 18:20

aperolspritzbasicbitch · 16/09/2024 18:01

@AubrieDog it's pretty personal....she's lumped me in with the type of owner that I most certainly am not.

Okay. Her response wasn't nice either. But as I said before it's pretty much six of one and half a dozen of the other as far as I can see...

BTW I've been neutral all the way through the thread so accusing me of hysterics wasn't really necessary. I'm trying to see both sides.

CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 18:22

WalkingonWheels · 16/09/2024 17:47

I have a rescue mongrel as well as my purebreed dogs, but OK. I just don't call him a ridiculous, made up name.

Haven't had a staffie in for ages 👍

Do you think of him as a real dog though 😂

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 18:24

CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 18:14

I probably wouldn't take my dog to a vet who shared PP's views, no.

But you don't know what your vet's opinion is, do you?

They have a moral responsibility to remain professional with ALL animals and it is the same with people who work in rescue/groomers/boarding kennel staff. Everyone has preferences, it's just normal.

CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 18:26

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 18:20

Okay. Her response wasn't nice either. But as I said before it's pretty much six of one and half a dozen of the other as far as I can see...

BTW I've been neutral all the way through the thread so accusing me of hysterics wasn't really necessary. I'm trying to see both sides.

I was actually surprised by your response as like you say, you have been quite neutral. It was the "vile" and "hope you're ok" bit that got me, like PP had just posted the most scathing comment ever known to man. It did seem a tad over the top and if mumsnet were silly enough to delete it, people will probably think that poster has just made a death threat or something!

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 18:27

F0urt33n · 16/09/2024 18:18

If you were a vet there is no way you’d be going anywhere near my cockapoo.

Me??? Please tell me when or where I have said I have a problem with Doodles or Poos? I have consistently stated that I don't. Read my earlier posts and you will see this. Why is everybody suddenly attacking me? I have remained neutral right the way through this thread.

CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 18:33

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 18:24

But you don't know what your vet's opinion is, do you?

They have a moral responsibility to remain professional with ALL animals and it is the same with people who work in rescue/groomers/boarding kennel staff. Everyone has preferences, it's just normal.

I don't know. But PP DOES know what the wheel thingy posters opinions are and that is why she made that comment.

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 18:34

CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 18:26

I was actually surprised by your response as like you say, you have been quite neutral. It was the "vile" and "hope you're ok" bit that got me, like PP had just posted the most scathing comment ever known to man. It did seem a tad over the top and if mumsnet were silly enough to delete it, people will probably think that poster has just made a death threat or something!

It just seemed a hurtful comment to me but I am neurodiverse and sometimes take things literally.

I am still neutral. I have no issue with Doodles or Poos (in fact I genuinely think your girl is gorgeous!). My own personal dislikes are all toy breeds. But I do get hurt by people constantly abusing owners of purebred dogs.

Hence I am on the fence as regards this thread.

CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 18:55

Just go lighten it up a bit... I did laugh just now. Since I've been neglecting my dog whilst arguing on this thread... she came and got me and took me out to the garden, where she'd lined her toys up in a row. She looked at me all proudly, like she'd set me up a play table at preschool or something 🤣🤣 I think she might be cleverer than I thought 🙈

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 19:01

CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 18:55

Just go lighten it up a bit... I did laugh just now. Since I've been neglecting my dog whilst arguing on this thread... she came and got me and took me out to the garden, where she'd lined her toys up in a row. She looked at me all proudly, like she'd set me up a play table at preschool or something 🤣🤣 I think she might be cleverer than I thought 🙈

💓💗💞

Girls are so much cleverer than boys (sorry lads). My girl is a Mensa child too.

CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 19:27

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 19:01

💓💗💞

Girls are so much cleverer than boys (sorry lads). My girl is a Mensa child too.

Honestly... this level of intelligence is a new thing with her 🤣 Although I do wonder if she often just plays dumb for her own benefit!

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 19:47

CellophaneFlower · 16/09/2024 19:27

Honestly... this level of intelligence is a new thing with her 🤣 Although I do wonder if she often just plays dumb for her own benefit!

I'd like to bet she knows a lot more than she lets on.
Oh hell yeah - they take advantage in so many ways, they have us sussed alright. My pup is an angel for my husband but walks all over me and makes me look like an eejit (mind, that's not difficult...😜).

DonnaDonna0 · 16/09/2024 19:55

Honestly the level of hate and nastiness on this thread is totally uncalled for.
Choose your dog, get on with your life and let others do the same.
I’m embarrassed for some of the posters on here.
Your opinion is just that an opinion, give your heads a wobble.

cookiebee · 16/09/2024 20:01

There is a nice field near where I live, I take my golden doodle there on his walks sometimes, he is an old man now so staggers along, but we meet lots of his friends there, all sorts of doodles, purebreds and the ones where the owners have no idea, and unlike us all here on this thread they all wag their tails and absolutely love seeing each other, they don’t care what we paid for them or who they are made up of, they are just happy in the moment to exist. This thread was started by someone for absolutely spiteful and nasty reasons, shame on you, also shame on you all who judge us for owning doodles or poos, none of your arguments stand up, you are all just vicious, be more like the dogs and just get on you bunch of horrid humans!

WalkingonWheels · 16/09/2024 20:40

Nah, I'll stick to caring about the welfare and ethical breeding of dogs, thanks.

FiddleSticks00 · 16/09/2024 21:00

You might want to go see to your "ethically bred" dogs then - don't think you've spent a moment off this thread since it started 🤭

cookiebee · 16/09/2024 21:01

Does the kennel club give out free lobotomies for everyone who PURCHASES a DESIGNER DOG off of them, who then go on to not understand that doodle owners support ethical breeding as well, I give up!

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 21:18

cookiebee · 16/09/2024 21:01

Does the kennel club give out free lobotomies for everyone who PURCHASES a DESIGNER DOG off of them, who then go on to not understand that doodle owners support ethical breeding as well, I give up!

So it's not okay for people to insult doodles/doodle owners but it's fine for you to insult purebred dogs and their owners... How does that work then?

Some of us manage to insult neither...it can be done.

cookiebee · 16/09/2024 21:22

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 21:18

So it's not okay for people to insult doodles/doodle owners but it's fine for you to insult purebred dogs and their owners... How does that work then?

Some of us manage to insult neither...it can be done.

I think you might have commented similar on an earlier post of mine, you have actually been quite balanced and kind on here. But as I said to you before (I think), we doodle owners didn’t start this VERY mean spirited and nasty thread that attacks us for no reason, so me and others are retaliating to some quite nasty and ignorant comments!

AubrieDog · 16/09/2024 21:53

cookiebee · 16/09/2024 21:22

I think you might have commented similar on an earlier post of mine, you have actually been quite balanced and kind on here. But as I said to you before (I think), we doodle owners didn’t start this VERY mean spirited and nasty thread that attacks us for no reason, so me and others are retaliating to some quite nasty and ignorant comments!

I agree that it is a mean spirited thread which is why I have been consistently unbiased.

However, I do own purebred dogs and I wish that some of you could be a little more objective and see that choosing to have a pedigree dog doesn't automatically make someone nasty or bigoted or snobbish. Most of us really aren't.

And no - pedigree dogs aren't all inbred and ailing any more than non-pedigree dogs in the main. It is only a minority that are badly bred for profit, exactly as it is with the doodles in fact - the minority spoil it for the rest of us.

The discrimination on here goes both ways.